From lyrabee at gmx.net  Fri Feb  1 04:03:01 2008
From: lyrabee at gmx.net (lyrabee)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:03:01 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] switching from windows to mac os
In-Reply-To: <A47CCF29A2D41E8518276FD3@ninevah.local>
References: <BB37B3376C36E1A3867E64F6@[192.168.1.125]>
	<2760965989E38EC1B76E5E0A@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<88E61A8781C412AB3C5333FB@c80-216-42-137.bredband.comhem.se>
	<A47CCF29A2D41E8518276FD3@ninevah.local>
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--On Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2008 17:27 -0800 Cyrus Daboo 
<daboo at mulberrymail.com> wrote:

> Hi david,
>
> --On January 31, 2008 11:40:10 PM +0100 david <davidbo at kth.se> wrote:
>
>>> So when you move the files from Windows to the Mac, you'll have to
>>> somehow set those values. Honestly, I'd say it's more trouble than
>>> it's worth.
>>
>> There are two CLI utitlities for this purpose, SetFile and
>> GetFileInfo. You might need to install the Developer tools to get
>> them, not sure about that.
>
> Sorry its taken me a long time to reply to this (been traveling).
>
> Actually you do not need to worry about the Mac file type/creator
> codes. At least in the current release Mulberry on OS X only cares
> about the file extensions - it does not require type/creator codes.
>
> So you should just be able to move the files over from Windows to Mac
> OS without having to do anything else.
>
> --
> Cyrus Daboo

cool! thx :))
next week is "judgment day" ;)

lyrabee

From lyrabee at gmx.net  Tue Feb  5 12:31:12 2008
From: lyrabee at gmx.net (lyrabee)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:31:12 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] switching from windows to mac os
In-Reply-To: <A47CCF29A2D41E8518276FD3@ninevah.local>
References: <BB37B3376C36E1A3867E64F6@[192.168.1.125]>
	<2760965989E38EC1B76E5E0A@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<88E61A8781C412AB3C5333FB@c80-216-42-137.bredband.comhem.se>
	<A47CCF29A2D41E8518276FD3@ninevah.local>
Message-ID: <EC9FE0B119C6D719A5C7669A@localhost>

--On 31. Januar 2008 17:27:06 -0800 Cyrus Daboo 
<daboo at mulberrymail.com> wrote:

> Hi david,
>
> --On January 31, 2008 11:40:10 PM +0100 david <davidbo at kth.se> wrote:
>
>>> So when you move the files from Windows to the Mac, you'll have to
>>> somehow set those values. Honestly, I'd say it's more trouble than
>>> it's worth.
>>
>> There are two CLI utitlities for this purpose, SetFile and
>> GetFileInfo. You might need to install the Developer tools to get
>> them, not sure about that.
>
> Sorry its taken me a long time to reply to this (been traveling).
>
> Actually you do not need to worry about the Mac file type/creator
> codes. At least in the current release Mulberry on OS X only cares
> about the file extensions - it does not require type/creator codes.
>
> So you should just be able to move the files over from Windows to Mac
> OS without having to do anything else.
>
> --
> Cyrus Daboo


hey guys,

moving local mailboxes, address books as well as preferences (which 
incl. identities, signatures etc.) worked perfectly well without any 
complications. thx again cyrus :))

for those interested, i did it like this:

- in windows i started mulberry one last time, went to preferences and 
saved those preferences as a mulberry preferences file (mbp). then i 
closed mulberry.

- then i got the mbp file to the mac os desktop.

- in windows i also went to
C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Cyrusoft\Mulberry\
and copied the following folders:
* Address Books
* Mailboxes

- then i got those to folders Address Books and Mailboxes to the mac os 
desktop.

- in mac os i then installed the mac os version of mulberry.

- in my user's "home" folder under "documents" a folder "Mulberry" was 
created... it comprised the following folders:
* Address Books
* Calendars
* Certificates
* Dictionaries
* Disconnected
* Mailboxes
* Temporary Files
* Timezones

- there i created an additional folder: Preferences.
- in this folder Preferences i moved the preferences mbp file.

- then i deleted the folders Address Books and Mailboxes.

- then i moved the folders Address Books and Mailboxes from the desktop 
to home->documents->Mulberry

- then i started mulberry, went to preferences, chose "local" storage, 
clicked "open" and searched for the mbp file. i had to chose "enable 
all documents" to be able to click that mbp file. then i clicked 
"open". then i said "ok". and all the preferences were there. to keep 
them doing so i had to open the preferences again and click "save 
default". that was about it :)

contacts/address books, local mailboxes, hierarchies - all were there 
right away. i didn't have to change anything at all :)


by the way - if anybody wants to move his itunes playlists and stuff; 
it works the same way...

- get the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\My Documents\My 
Music\iTunes to the mac os desktop
- remove your user's "home"->Music->iTunes folder
- move the iTunes folder from the desktop to "home"->Music

thx again to you guys :)

lyrabee

From james at klas.com  Tue Feb  5 12:47:26 2008
From: james at klas.com (James Burts)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Calendar / WebDAV authentication issue
Message-ID: <239D3D4B47714377E9B50D73@[192.168.100.39]>

Some time ago, I posed that I was experiencing frequent, but sporadic 
problems with using Mulberry as a calendar client.  It was suggested that I 
turn on logging, and try to report back with more information.

I've finally taken the time to do that, and have a list of log files 
available.

Mulberry Error Log:  <http://updates.klas.com/jburts/client/Errorlog.txt>

Mulberry HTTP Log:
<http://updates.klas.com/jburts/client/HTTPlog.txt>

Apache Error Log:
<http://updates.klas.com/jburts/server/error_log>

Apache Access Log:
<http://updates.klas.com/jburts/server/access_log>


For the server-side files, I believe the access log had all the entries 
prior to 2/1/08 removed.  I believe the error log has a longer history -- 
probably back to my previous attempts to use Mulberry on this WebDAV server.

Thank you for any assistance or insights you can provide.

--James--

James Burts                          james at klas.com
Keystone Systems, Inc.               919-782-1143
Executive Vice President             Raleigh, NC

From djf27 at pitt.edu  Tue Feb  5 18:15:15 2008
From: djf27 at pitt.edu (David J. Fetterman)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:15:15 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
Message-ID: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>

Greetings!
I've used Mulberry for a short time before and am considering migrating 
back to it. My university has moved away from endorsing Mulberry in favor 
of Thunderbird. I like Thunderbird; but I'm eager for some insights from 
users as to why Mulberry might be preferable. Before you suggest that I try 
it and decide for myself: yes, that is what I will ultimately do. For now, 
though, I'm turning to you Mulberry experts to give this Mulberry newbie 
some insights about Mulberry that might help me in deciding. I'm especially 
concerned about what I'm hearing is a lack of support for the application. 
I'm not even sure if that is accurate information that I've been given. So, 
long story short: I would value the thoughts and insights of experienced 
Mulberry users on these issues.
Thanks much!
Dave

-- 
David J. Fetterman, B.A., M.Div., M.Ed.
Director of Education & Community Outreach Coordinator
Center for Healthy Aging
A Centers for Disease Control Prevention Program
University of Pittsburgh
Graduate School of Public Health
130 N. Bellefield Ave.
Suite 300
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-383-3121 (Phone)
412-624-2920 (Fax)
djf27 at pitt.edu
http://www.healthyaging.pitt.edu/


From djf27 at pitt.edu  Tue Feb  5 18:17:46 2008
From: djf27 at pitt.edu (David J. Fetterman)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:17:46 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry and SpamPal
Message-ID: <672910D78AA496C2E5051946@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>

Greetings!
I am curious if Spam programs work effectively with Mulberry. If so, which 
ones are preferable? I have read suggestions on the web of SpamPal and 
SpamAssassin particularly.
Thanks much!
Dave

-- 
David J. Fetterman, B.A., M.Div., M.Ed.
Director of Education & Community Outreach Coordinator
Center for Healthy Aging
A Centers for Disease Control Prevention Program
University of Pittsburgh
Graduate School of Public Health
130 N. Bellefield Ave.
Suite 300
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-383-3121 (Phone)
412-624-2920 (Fax)
djf27 at pitt.edu
http://www.healthyaging.pitt.edu/


From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Wed Feb  6 08:01:20 2008
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:01:20 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <36B07EF3E21812851F22AC02@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi,

--On 5. Februar 2008 18:15:15 -0500 "David J. Fetterman" <djf27 at pitt.edu> 
wrote:

> I've used Mulberry for a short time before and am considering migrating
> back to it. My university has moved away from endorsing Mulberry in favor
> of Thunderbird. I like Thunderbird; but I'm eager for some insights from
> users as to why Mulberry might be preferable. Before you suggest that I
> try it and decide for myself: yes, that is what I will ultimately do. For
> now, though, I'm turning to you Mulberry experts to give this Mulberry
> newbie some insights about Mulberry that might help me in deciding. I'm
> especially concerned about what I'm hearing is a lack of support for the
> application. I'm not even sure if that is accurate information that I've
> been given. So, long story short: I would value the thoughts and insights
> of experienced Mulberry users on these issues.

at least as a start, there's a Wiki entry for that:

<http://trac.mulberrymail.com/mulberry/wiki/advantages>
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.
                   .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:.
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From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Wed Feb  6 08:34:18 2008
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:34:18 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry and SpamPal
In-Reply-To: <672910D78AA496C2E5051946@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
References: <672910D78AA496C2E5051946@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1944AB20FB7E2C4A952F07EC@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi David,

--On 5. Februar 2008 18:17:46 -0500 "David J. Fetterman" <djf27 at pitt.edu> 
wrote:

> I am curious if Spam programs work effectively with Mulberry.

that depends on what you mean. Mulberry does not support spam filtering on 
the client. It relies on server-side filtering. I'd be surprised if your 
university did not offer such a feature. It's pretty standard these days.
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.
                   .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:.
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From korenman at umbc.edu  Wed Feb  6 10:15:07 2008
From: korenman at umbc.edu (Joan Korenman)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:15:07 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E5570C5B6300BAA10C57AC77@[192.168.1.100]>

--On Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:15 PM -0500 "David J. Fetterman" 
<djf27 at pitt.edu> wrote:

> I've used Mulberry for a short time before and am considering migrating
> back to it. My university has moved away from endorsing Mulberry in favor
> of Thunderbird. I like Thunderbird; but I'm eager for some insights from
> users as to why Mulberry might be preferable.

Hi, David.  When Mulberry's future seemed very bleak back in late 2005, I 
continued to use it but also gave Thunderbird a try.  Here are some of the 
features I value in Mulberry that I couldn't find in Thunderbird:

1) Cabinets.  I have about 100 mail folders in my primary IMAP account, and a 
lesser number in a secondary IMAP account at the same university.  With 
Mulberry, I can put just the ~20 folders in these accounts that receive new 
mail into a "Check Favourites" cabinet that is always visible and shows me 
all 20 folders.  With Thunderbird, I had to scroll down through all 100+ 
folders looking for those that receive new mail.  Unless I scroll, most of 
them aren't visible.  I also use the Copy Messages To" Cabinet and the "Auto 
Synchronize" cabinet (I synchronize just a few mailboxes with the mail files 
on my hard drive).

2)  I love the fact that when I reply to a message, Mulberry gives me the 
option EACH TIME of quoting the entire message, quoting none of the message, 
or quoting just the part I've highlighted (as I've done in replying to your 
message).  By contrast, in Thunderbird, if I wanted to reply without quoting 
any of the message, I had to go into my Thunderbird settings and turn off 
"automatically quote the original message when replying."  And if I wanted to 
quote just a part of a message, I had to go through the entire message, 
editing out the parts I didn't want to quote.  I think there may be a 
Thunderbird extension that helps select just a part of a message to quote, 
but as I recall, the procedure didn't work as smoothly as in Mulberry. 
Moreover, I find depending on extensions much less desirable than having the 
features built in.  For one thing, as I've found with Firefox (my default 
browser), extensions don't always play nicely together, and tracking down the 
source of the problem isn't always easy.  Also, every time there's a new 
version of Firefox or Thunderbird, there's the danger that some of the 
extensions will no longer work, at least temporarily (and sometimes 
permanently).

3) This message is getting too long, so I'll end now by mentioning just one 
more feature I like in Mulberry that was not available in Thunderbird: the 
warning you can put automatically at the start of a bcc copy, alerting the 
recipient to the fact that this is a bcc and that it may therefore be wise 
not to reply to everyone.  (I might add that Mulberry makes it very easy to 
see exactly who will receive a reply.)

As I said above, my remarks about Thunderbird are based primarily on my 
experience from a couple of years ago, though I still use it from time to 
time.  It's possible that it now has some features that deal more effectively 
with the issues I've raised above.  Still, in my opinion, the one area where 
Thunderbird is superior to Mulberry is in its handling of graphics.  And as 
much as I wish Mulberry would develop more options for handling graphics, in 
just about every other respect, it wins hands down.

I hope some of this proves helpful.

	Joan

        Joan Korenman, Founding Director
        Center for Women & Information Technology
        University of Maryland, Baltimore County
        Baltimore, MD 21250  USA
        korenman AT umbc.edu
        http://www.umbc.edu/cwit/

From roman.klesel at googlemail.com  Wed Feb  6 12:26:44 2008
From: roman.klesel at googlemail.com (Roman Klesel)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:26:44 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Problem logging in Gmail
Message-ID: <1d96939c0802060926y66ef2906q5174d5ec8e57c597@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

for some time I can not open my Gmail-Mailbox wiht Mulberry. I get the error:

A problem occurred while decoding the information sent from the server. The
operation has been cancelled.

As you suggested in some other thread I enabled logging. Here is the ErrorLog:


--> #Logging started by user on Wed Feb  6 18:17:24 2008

Throw:     Wed Feb  6 18:17:28 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: CINETException
	Errno: 709902674 0x2a504152
	Function: IMAPParseBodyLanguage
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/INET_Clients/IMAP/CIMAPClient.cp,3443
-Catch:    Wed Feb  6 18:17:28 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: exception&
	Function: INETSendString
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/INET_Clients/CINETClient.cp,1698

Throw:     Wed Feb  6 18:17:28 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: CGeneralException
	Errno: -1 0xffffffff
	Function: INETTryRecoverError
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/INET_Clients/CINETClient.cp,2131
-Catch:    Wed Feb  6 18:17:28 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: ...
	Function: INETHandleError
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/INET_Clients/CINETClient.cp,1900
--Rethrow: Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Function: INETSendString
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/INET_Clients/CINETClient.cp,1710
-Catch:    Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: ...
	Function: CacheMessage
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/Mailbox/CMbox.cp,2505
--Rethrow: Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Function: CacheMessage
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/Mailbox/CMbox.cp,2518
-Catch:    Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: ...
	Function: CacheAllMessages
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/Mailbox/CMbox.cp,2330
--Rethrow: Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Function: CacheAllMessages
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Mail/Mailbox/CMbox.cp,2339
-Catch:    Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: ...
	Function: Substitute
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Application/Mailbox_Info/CMailboxInfoViewCommon.cp,1178
--Rethrow: Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Function: Substitute
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Application/Mailbox_Info/CMailboxInfoViewCommon.cp,1199
-Catch:    Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: ...
	Function: ViewMbox
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Application/Mailbox_Info/CMailboxInfoViewCommon.cp,803
--Rethrow: Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Function: ViewMbox
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/../Sources_Common/Application/Mailbox_Info/CMailboxInfoViewCommon.cp,806
-Catch:    Wed Feb  6 18:17:30 2008
	TID: -1610559488 0xa000d000
	Type: ...
	Function: SpendTime
	File: /Development/Projects/Mulberry/Mulberry
v4.0/MacOSv2/Sources/Application/General/CPeriodicCheck.cp,91

Can this be fixed?

Thanks!

Roman

From sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com  Wed Feb  6 16:11:01 2008
From: sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com (John Thayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>

On 5 Feb 2008 at 18:15, David J. Fetterman wrote:

> I've used Mulberry for a short time before and am considering
> migrating back to it. My university has moved away from endorsing
> Mulberry in favor of Thunderbird. I like Thunderbird; but I'm eager
> for some insights from users as to why Mulberry might be preferable.
> Before you suggest that I try it and decide for myself: yes, that is
> what I will ultimately do. For now, though, I'm turning to you
> Mulberry experts to give this Mulberry newbie some insights about
> Mulberry that might help me in deciding. I'm especially concerned
> about what I'm hearing is a lack of support for the application. I'm
> not even sure if that is accurate information that I've been given.
> So, long story short: I would value the thoughts and insights of
> experienced Mulberry users on these issues.


The things that I have issues with may be minor for you.  If you choose to 
retrieve your mail from a POP3 server without deleting from the server, you will 
get multiple downloads of the messages from the server for any message that 
you have deleted from your local Inbox.

If you receive HTML messages with imbedded images, e.g. charts, graphs, 
pictures, you can not see the images in the message even if you open the 
message in a browser.  You can open the images individually, but they will not 
be in the context of the message.  Also the rendering of HTML by Mulberry will 
display image tags which is somewhat distracting.

However, Mulberry is light on resources and quite flexible if your main usage is 
IMAP and text messages.  Good luck.

-- 
John


From sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com  Wed Feb  6 16:19:00 2008
From: sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com (John Thayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:19:00 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <E5570C5B6300BAA10C57AC77@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>,
	<E5570C5B6300BAA10C57AC77@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <47A9DDF4.4058.175819D@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>

On 6 Feb 2008 at 10:15, Joan Korenman wrote:

> 1) Cabinets.  I have about 100 mail folders in my primary IMAP account,
> and a lesser number in a secondary IMAP account at the same university. 
> With Mulberry, I can put just the ~20 folders in these accounts that
> receive new mail into a "Check Favourites" cabinet that is always visible
> and shows me all 20 folders.  With Thunderbird, I had to scroll down
> through all 100+ folders looking for those that receive new mail.  Unless
> I scroll, most of them aren't visible.

Hi Joan - In Thunderbird there is a little arrow above the list of folders/mail 
boxes that can be clicked to display only folders/mail boxes with new mail.


> 
> 2)  I love the fact that when I reply to a message, Mulberry gives me the
> option EACH TIME of quoting the entire message, quoting none of the
> message, or quoting just the part I've highlighted (as I've done in
> replying to your message).  By contrast, in Thunderbird, if I wanted to
> reply without quoting any of the message, I had to go into my Thunderbird
> settings and turn off "automatically quote the original message when
> replying."  And if I wanted to quote just a part of a message, I had to go
> through the entire message, editing out the parts I didn't want to quote. 
> I think there may be a Thunderbird extension that helps select just a part
> of a message to quote, but as I recall, the procedure didn't work as
> smoothly as in Mulberry.

In Thunderbird, there is an extension to do selective quoting.  I have never had 
a problem with it.  I think Mulberry is a much lighter client, but I believe TBird 
has more capabilities.  Using Tbird makes me feel like I am driving a big truck.  
Using Mulberry or Pegasus feels like a sports car so depending on my needs of 
the moment will determine which client I use.

-- 
John


From pauls at utdallas.edu  Wed Feb  6 16:29:26 2008
From: pauls at utdallas.edu (Paul Schmehl)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:29:26 -0600
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
	<47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>
Message-ID: <3E20D388BB4186490B6895F5@utd59514.utdallas.edu>

--On Wednesday, February 06, 2008 16:11:01 -0500 John Thayer 
<sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com> wrote:

> On 5 Feb 2008 at 18:15, David J. Fetterman wrote:
>
>> I've used Mulberry for a short time before and am considering
>> migrating back to it. My university has moved away from endorsing
>> Mulberry in favor of Thunderbird. I like Thunderbird; but I'm eager
>> for some insights from users as to why Mulberry might be preferable.
>> Before you suggest that I try it and decide for myself: yes, that is
>> what I will ultimately do. For now, though, I'm turning to you
>> Mulberry experts to give this Mulberry newbie some insights about
>> Mulberry that might help me in deciding. I'm especially concerned
>> about what I'm hearing is a lack of support for the application. I'm
>> not even sure if that is accurate information that I've been given.
>> So, long story short: I would value the thoughts and insights of
>> experienced Mulberry users on these issues.
>
>
> The things that I have issues with may be minor for you.  If you choose to
> retrieve your mail from a POP3 server without deleting from the server, you
> will  get multiple downloads of the messages from the server for any message
> that  you have deleted from your local Inbox.
>

Note that this should *not* be the case if you have selected "Expunge on Local 
Delete" in Preferences/Account.

I use Mulberry on multiple machines to view multiple POP accounts and do not 
have the problem that you describe.  *All* of my MUAs, regardless of machine 
are set to leave mail on the server and delete on local expunge.

-- 
Paul Schmehl (pauls at utdallas.edu)
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


From korenman at umbc.edu  Wed Feb  6 17:29:29 2008
From: korenman at umbc.edu (Joan Korenman)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:29:29 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
	<47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>
Message-ID: <E05D92DA34EEE7672B1032D7@[192.168.1.100]>

--On Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:11 PM -0500 John Thayer 
<sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com> wrote:

> If you receive HTML messages with imbedded images, e.g. charts, graphs,
> pictures, you can not see the images in the message even if you open the
> message in a browser.  You can open the images individually, but they will
> not  be in the context of the message.  Also the rendering of HTML by
> Mulberry will  display image tags which is somewhat distracting.

Hi, John.  Perhaps I've misunderstood you, but I open messages, especially 
newsletters, with imbedded images all the time, and I have no problem seeing 
the images exactly where and how they are meant to be seen in the newsletter. 
All I do is right-click on the HTML version of the message and select "View 
parts."  The message then opens in my browser, and the display is perfect. 
And, of course, since the message is opened in my browser, there are no image 
tags or anything else that doesn't belong there.

Rather than fill everyone's mailbox with a second message, I'll just take 
this opportunity to thank you for the tip about how to get Thunderbird to 
show just the mailboxes with new mail.  I still prefer Mulberry's cabinets, 
but I'm glad to know about this feature in Thunderbird.

	Joan

        Joan Korenman, Founding Director
        Center for Women & Information Technology
        University of Maryland, Baltimore County
        Baltimore, MD 21250  USA
        korenman AT umbc.edu
        http://www.umbc.edu/cwit/

From sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com  Wed Feb  6 18:36:02 2008
From: sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com (John)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:36:02 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <3E20D388BB4186490B6895F5@utd59514.utdallas.edu>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
	<47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>
	<3E20D388BB4186490B6895F5@utd59514.utdallas.edu>
Message-ID: <F7F8CE63CDDF4D5A5957CD2E@r4l0-aa3b07cfd6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

--On Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:29 PM -0600 Paul Schmehl 
<pauls at utdallas.edu> wrote:

> Note that this should *not* be the case if you have selected "Expunge on
> Local Delete" in Preferences/Account.
>
> I use Mulberry on multiple machines to view multiple POP accounts and do
> not have the problem that you describe.  *All* of my MUAs, regardless of
> machine are set to leave mail on the server and delete on local expunge.


If I do as you suggest, deleting/expunging from my local Inbox causes the 
message to be deleted from the server even though I have checked "Leave 
email on server".  I wish to delete locally and leave on the server.  This 
was discussed on this list last year and confirmed to behave as I describe. 
If it works for you, I am envious.

-- 
John

From sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com  Wed Feb  6 18:39:22 2008
From: sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com (John)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:39:22 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <E05D92DA34EEE7672B1032D7@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
	<47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>
	<E05D92DA34EEE7672B1032D7@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <F75420DD3ACEA9FE32C19BF0@r4l0-aa3b07cfd6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

--On Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:29 PM -0500 Joan Korenman 
<korenman at umbc.edu> wrote:

> Perhaps I've misunderstood you, but I open messages, especially
> newsletters, with imbedded images all the time, and I have no problem
> seeing the images exactly where and how they are meant to be seen in the
> newsletter. All I do is right-click on the HTML version of the message
> and select "View parts."  The message then opens in my browser, and the
> display is perfect. And, of course, since the message is opened in my
> browser, there are no image tags or anything else that doesn't belong
> there.

Hi Joan,

I've gone back and looked at a few messages and it seems some messages 
appear correctly in a browser and some do not.  Maybe it has something to 
do with the HTML coding.  However it does appear that the problem messages 
I found came from AOL users.  Maybe that is the issue.  In any case, thanks 
for the reply.

-- 
John

From pauls at utdallas.edu  Wed Feb  6 18:41:57 2008
From: pauls at utdallas.edu (Paul Schmehl)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:41:57 -0600
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <F7F8CE63CDDF4D5A5957CD2E@r4l0-aa3b07cfd6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
	<47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>
	<3E20D388BB4186490B6895F5@utd59514.utdallas.edu>
	<F7F8CE63CDDF4D5A5957CD2E@r4l0-aa3b07cfd6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2DD03EA754C2F139682E7ADC@utd59514.utdallas.edu>

--On Wednesday, February 06, 2008 18:36:02 -0500 John 
<sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com> wrote:

> --On Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:29 PM -0600 Paul Schmehl
> <pauls at utdallas.edu> wrote:
>
>> Note that this should *not* be the case if you have selected "Expunge on
>> Local Delete" in Preferences/Account.
>>
>> I use Mulberry on multiple machines to view multiple POP accounts and do
>> not have the problem that you describe.  *All* of my MUAs, regardless of
>> machine are set to leave mail on the server and delete on local expunge.
>
>
> If I do as you suggest, deleting/expunging from my local Inbox causes the
> message to be deleted from the server even though I have checked "Leave email
> on server".  I wish to delete locally and leave on the server.  This was
> discussed on this list last year and confirmed to behave as I describe. If it
> works for you, I am envious.

Well, you're asking for the impossible (or highly unlikely.)  In order to do 
what you desire you would have to write an algorithm that keeps track of every 
email you've ever received on a host so that the program would know when to 
*not* download a message that remains on the server.  Furthermore, you could 
*never* delete a message from the server without also adding functionality that 
allows you to selectively and arbitrarily delete messages from the server 
**even if one of your hosts hasn't yet downloaded the message** - unless you 
also think every client should be aware of all other clients and somehow know 
when one or more clients has not yet downloaded a message.

That would be Rube Goldberg contraption of the first order.

-- 
Paul Schmehl (pauls at utdallas.edu)
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


From gessel at blackrosetech.com  Wed Feb  6 19:15:07 2008
From: gessel at blackrosetech.com (David Gessel)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:15:07 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Spam Assassin/Spampal
In-Reply-To: <mailman.318.1202318824.135.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
References: <mailman.318.1202318824.135.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
Message-ID: <4A816000018998E8118FD61E@410C30E69E457113BFD56209>

Dave,

I use SpamAssassin on my server in combination with Procmail to provide 
fairly effective filtering.  The basic model is:

1) Postfix does some strict checking for proper authentication on incoming 
mail and checks the Spamcop.net RBL (to which I report spam that makes it 
through the rest of these steps)

2) Procmail checks the return address of what gets through to a series of 
white lists used to file incoming mail into appropriate IMAP directories on 
the server.

3) What gets through that is checked by SpamAsssassin (last to minimize 
server load).  If SpamAssassin returns a "spammy" score, procmail generates 
a challenge response request.

4) If the sender acknowledges the challenge response, the message is 
released; if not I never see it.

I get a couple of spam messages a week through this and so far no false 
positive complaints.  I'd be happy to share my scripts and the places I 
found useful information on how to set it up.

-David

From owen.rees at hp.com  Thu Feb  7 03:58:09 2008
From: owen.rees at hp.com (Owen Rees)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:58:09 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <F75420DD3ACEA9FE32C19BF0@r4l0-aa3b07cfd6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
	<47A9DC15.10423.16E3340@sm0oojzz+mulb.fastimap.com>
	<E05D92DA34EEE7672B1032D7@[192.168.1.100]>
	<F75420DD3ACEA9FE32C19BF0@r4l0-aa3b07cfd6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A5C6103D8714547C3448F529@orees.hpl.hp.com>

--On Wednesday, February 06, 2008 06:39:22 PM -0500 John wrote:

> I've gone back and looked at a few messages and it seems some messages
> appear correctly in a browser and some do not.  Maybe it has something to
> do with the HTML coding.  However it does appear that the problem
> messages I found came from AOL users.  Maybe that is the issue.  In any
> case, thanks for the reply.

As far as I can tell it depends on whether the references to the images in 
the HTML are to images supplied as other parts of a multipart message (they 
do not appear) or to images on some remote server (they do appear provided 
that the server is alive, accessible via your browser's proxy settings 
etc.) In the latter case, you are, of course, revealing to the server 
operator that you are fetching the images and they may have been named so 
as to reveal that you are looking at that particular message.

-- 
Owen Rees; speaking personally, and not on behalf of HP.
========================================================
Hewlett-Packard Limited.   Registered No: 690597 England
Registered Office:  Cain Road, Bracknell, Berks RG12 1HN

From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Thu Feb  7 04:31:57 2008
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:31:57 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Problem logging in Gmail
In-Reply-To: <1d96939c0802060926y66ef2906q5174d5ec8e57c597@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d96939c0802060926y66ef2906q5174d5ec8e57c597@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05A15D3C983991D0A92AB845@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi,

--On 6. Februar 2008 18:26:44 +0100 Roman Klesel 
<roman.klesel at googlemail.com> wrote:

> for some time I can not open my Gmail-Mailbox wiht Mulberry. I get the
> error:
>
> A problem occurred while decoding the information sent from the server.
> The operation has been cancelled.

Gmail's IMAP support is broken. There is some indication that it will 
improve over time, but currently it's not standard compliant.

> As you suggested in some other thread I enabled logging. Here is the
> ErrorLog:

Actually that's the wrong log. The IMAP log would be more helpful. Although 
...

> Can this be fixed?

Most likely only by Google.
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.
                   .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:.
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From sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com  Thu Feb  7 11:01:45 2008
From: sm0oojzz+mulb at fastimap.com (John)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:01:45 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <2DD03EA754C2F139682E7ADC@utd59514.utdallas.edu>
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--On Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:41 PM -0600 Paul Schmehl 
<pauls at utdallas.edu> wrote:

> Well, you're asking for the impossible (or highly unlikely.)  In order to
> do what you desire you would have to write an algorithm that keeps track
> of every email you've ever received on a host so that the program would
> know when to *not* download a message that remains on the server.
> Furthermore, you could *never* delete a message from the server without
> also adding functionality that allows you to selectively and arbitrarily
> delete messages from the server **even if one of your hosts hasn't yet
> downloaded the message** - unless you also think every client should be
> aware of all other clients and somehow know when one or more clients has
> not yet downloaded a message.
>
> That would be Rube Goldberg contraption of the first order.




Every mail client that I have used (other than Mulberry) keeps track of a 
message's UIDL to prevent downloading of the same message over and over 
from a POP3 server.  There is no need for, as you say, "every client should 
be aware of all other clients and somehow know when one or more clients has 
not yet downloaded a message."  Just about every client (again, except 
Mulberry) has the capability of leaving a message on the server without 
re-downloading no matter how you have handled the message locally. 
Therefore as long as each client has the setting to leave mail on server, 
the clients have no need to be aware of each other.

You may want to google UIDL to see how it is used

-- 
John

From alanoc at shaw.ca  Fri Feb  8 10:39:05 2008
From: alanoc at shaw.ca (Alan)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:39:05 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] simplified email move
In-Reply-To: <47A16D9E.6010408@shaw.ca>
References: <47A16D9E.6010408@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <47AC7799.30100@shaw.ca>

Please take me off of this list!

Alan wrote:
> I want to move an email from one mailbox to another. Mulberry copies 
> the email then deletes the original. The deleted original is 
> distracting and misleading. How do I change Mulberry to do a simple 
> drag and drop move.
>
> alan
>

From hone+mulberrydiscuss at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Fri Feb  8 11:02:58 2008
From: hone+mulberrydiscuss at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Don Hone)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:02:58 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Using Mulberry -- I hope that you can help.
In-Reply-To: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
References: <29C36AB7C9F630F01F96C22A@Dave-PC.hsd1.pa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <61340ADCC41F974DA060AF29@OHIO-87C67B454B.cns.ohiou.edu>

--On Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:15 PM -0500 "David J. Fetterman" 
<djf27 at pitt.edu> wrote:

> Greetings!
> I've used Mulberry for a short time before and am considering migrating
> back to it. My university has moved away from endorsing Mulberry in favor
> of Thunderbird. I like Thunderbird; but I'm eager for some insights from
> users as to why Mulberry might be preferable.

I know Thunderbird only slightly, but I believe these are accurate:

- I can get my imap quota in Mulberry
- I can setup folder delivery (plus addressing) in Mulberry, ie. 
user+folder at domain.edu
- I can setup folder sharing in Mulberry


Don Hone
<http://edirectory.ohio.edu/?$search?uid=hone>
Ohio University

From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Sat Feb  9 15:06:35 2008
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:06:35 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] simplified email move
In-Reply-To: <47AC7799.30100@shaw.ca>
References: <47A16D9E.6010408@shaw.ca> <47AC7799.30100@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4846BE6FC67F372B783F2B36@[10.0.0.14]>

--On Friday, February 08, 2008 7:39 AM -0800 Alan <alanoc at shaw.ca> wrote:

> List-Unsubscribe:
> <http://lists.mulberrymail.com/mailman/listinfo/mulberry-discuss>,
> 	<mailto:mulberry-discuss-request at lists.mulberrymail.com?subject=unsubscr
> ibe>
> List-Archive: <http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss>
> List-Post: <mailto:mulberry-discuss at lists.mulberrymail.com>
> List-Help:
> <mailto:mulberry-discuss-request at lists.mulberrymail.com?subject=help>
> List-Subscribe:
> <http://lists.mulberrymail.com/mailman/listinfo/mulberry-discuss>,
> 	<mailto:mulberry-discuss-request at lists.mulberrymail.com?subject=subscrib
> e>
>
> Please take me off of this list!

As with most mailing lists, unsubscribe info is in the list headers. Use 
Tbird's "view headers" command to get the unsubscribe links.

From alex at alex.org.uk  Tue Feb 12 05:32:33 2008
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:32:33 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
Message-ID: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>

I've finally discovered how to repeat the Mulberry bug that's been, ahem,
bugging me. It's a nasty bug as it kills the whole Mac, not just Mulberry.
This is on an up to date Leopard with 4.0.8.

Reply to a message (the one I'm using is 3 lines with about 20 lines of
sig). Select the top of the message (the bit above the quotes), and hit
delete, then type in a name (like "Cyrus,") and two returns. Now go
under the 3 useful lines of message, select to the end, and press delete.
If the bug is going to happen, you see your 3 lines deleted too (even
though they weren't selected). Now press CTRL-Z several times. You then
see the rotating multicolour hourglass thing, the screen shift to the
left (slowly) by one pixel, and the machine hangs. Sometimes you get
some other display corruption. The OS-X Gui is dead from that point on.
It looks to me like some system call has been passed a bad parameter
it didn't catch, and it's moving a block of memory with negative length
or something.

Is this known about? I can repeat it 100% but don't know what to do
about getting call stacks out given the only option is power off the
Mac.

Alex

From pwilson at apnic.net  Tue Feb 12 06:49:26 2008
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:26 +1000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>

I have not hit this and I will leave it to the testers to verify!

I will mention some bugs which I do get on OSX, and which I never saw in a 
couple of years using Mulberry under windows.

1. Right click on a folder and select "Details..." - Mulberry almost always 
crashes.
2. option-click on the Subject or To/From field in a mailbox index (to set 
search filter on that value) - Mulberry often crashes.
3. Occasionally message formatting gets really messed up when inserting 
text, with a block of lines being shifted over to the right with a variety 
of indents.  Can recover by undoing the text insert.  No crash.


Thanks

Paul.


--On 12 February 2008 10:32:33 AM +0000 Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk> wrote:

> I've finally discovered how to repeat the Mulberry bug that's been, ahem,
> bugging me. It's a nasty bug as it kills the whole Mac, not just Mulberry.
> This is on an up to date Leopard with 4.0.8.
>
> Reply to a message (the one I'm using is 3 lines with about 20 lines of
> sig). Select the top of the message (the bit above the quotes), and hit
> delete, then type in a name (like "Cyrus,") and two returns. Now go
> under the 3 useful lines of message, select to the end, and press delete.
> If the bug is going to happen, you see your 3 lines deleted too (even
> though they weren't selected). Now press CTRL-Z several times. You then
> see the rotating multicolour hourglass thing, the screen shift to the
> left (slowly) by one pixel, and the machine hangs. Sometimes you get
> some other display corruption. The OS-X Gui is dead from that point on.
> It looks to me like some system call has been passed a bad parameter
> it didn't catch, and it's moving a block of memory with negative length
> or something.
>
> Is this known about? I can repeat it 100% but don't know what to do
> about getting call stacks out given the only option is power off the
> Mac.
>
> Alex



________________________________________________________________________
Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC                      <dg at apnic.net>
http://www.apnic.net                            ph/fx +61 7 3858 3100/99


From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Tue Feb 12 07:18:31 2008
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:18:31 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi Alex,

--On 12. Februar 2008 10:32:33 +0000 Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk> wrote:

> I've finally discovered how to repeat the Mulberry bug that's been, ahem,
> bugging me. It's a nasty bug as it kills the whole Mac, not just Mulberry.
> This is on an up to date Leopard with 4.0.8.

FWIW, I couldn't reproduce what you describe, but I'm runnng a 
self-compiled 4.0.9b1.

> Is this known about? I can repeat it 100% but don't know what to do
> about getting call stacks out given the only option is power off the
> Mac.

Right. You'd need a second computer. If you have access to another one you 
could try to SSH into your Mac and see if that still works. If so, there 
are a number of things you could try. I can elaborate if you're interested.
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
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From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Tue Feb 12 07:25:10 2008
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:25:10 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>
Message-ID: <5016FEF4E39F6806F6E5EF64@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi Paul,

--On 12. Februar 2008 21:49:26 +1000 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:

> I will mention some bugs which I do get on OSX, and which I never saw in
> a couple of years using Mulberry under windows.
>
> 1. Right click on a folder and select "Details..." - Mulberry almost
> always crashes.
> 2. option-click on the Subject or To/From field in a mailbox index (to
> set search filter on that value) - Mulberry often crashes.
> 3. Occasionally message formatting gets really messed up when inserting
> text, with a block of lines being shifted over to the right with a
> variety of indents.  Can recover by undoing the text insert.  No crash.

FWIW: I can't confirm 1 & 2. I guess both might be server-related, because 
both trigger server actions. How about doing the same actions differently? 
When you choose "Details" with the toolbar button, does it crash as well?

Number 3 I *may* have seen, but I'm not sure. Are you talking about plain 
text or styled text?
-- 
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From pwilson at apnic.net  Tue Feb 12 08:17:24 2008
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:17:24 +1000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <5016FEF4E39F6806F6E5EF64@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>
	<5016FEF4E39F6806F6E5EF64@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Message-ID: <E2EE5277FAE23BBDA31E9AB1@as-paul-l-521.local>

>> I will mention some bugs which I do get on OSX, and which I never saw in
>> a couple of years using Mulberry under windows.
>>
>> 1. Right click on a folder and select "Details..." - Mulberry almost
>> always crashes.

The same thing happens if I use the "details" button instead of right click.

>> 2. option-click on the Subject or To/From field in a mailbox index (to
>> set search filter on that value) - Mulberry often crashes.

I have never had this crash while entering search text manually, only when 
using the option-click method.

>> 3. Occasionally message formatting gets really messed up when inserting
>> text, with a block of lines being shifted over to the right with a
>> variety of indents.  Can recover by undoing the text insert.  No crash.

I only ever use plain text.

>
> FWIW: I can't confirm 1 & 2. I guess both might be server-related,
> because both trigger server actions. How about doing the same actions
> differently? When you choose "Details" with the toolbar button, does it
> crash as well?

It could be server-related, however it is the same server I was using from 
Mulberry on windows.  Also I would hope Mulberry would be robust enough to 
handle whatever the server throws at it.

Thanks,

Paul.






From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Tue Feb 12 08:22:09 2008
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:22:09 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <E2EE5277FAE23BBDA31E9AB1@as-paul-l-521.local>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>
	<5016FEF4E39F6806F6E5EF64@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<E2EE5277FAE23BBDA31E9AB1@as-paul-l-521.local>
Message-ID: <2C844BB65D806D3B94850BE6@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

--On 12. Februar 2008 23:17:24 +1000 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:

>>> I will mention some bugs which I do get on OSX, and which I never saw in
>>> a couple of years using Mulberry under windows.
>>>
>>> 1. Right click on a folder and select "Details..." - Mulberry almost
>>> always crashes.
>
> The same thing happens if I use the "details" button instead of right
> click.

OK, that makes it likely that it's connected to the way the server responds 
to that. But as you say ...

> It could be server-related, however it is the same server I was using
> from Mulberry on windows.  Also I would hope Mulberry would be robust
> enough to handle whatever the server throws at it.

.. you are of course absolutely correct and I didn't mean to imply 
otherwise. Still it's helpful in finding the cause.
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
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From brian at reid.org  Tue Feb 12 08:29:35 2008
From: brian at reid.org (Brian Reid)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:29:35 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>
Message-ID: <75C5D40770C85A217B94B6E6@hindolveston.reid.org>


> 1. Right click on a folder and select "Details..." - Mulberry almost always crashes.
> 2. option-click on the Subject or To/From field in a mailbox index (to set search filter on that value) - Mulberry often crashes.
> 3. Occasionally message formatting gets really messed up when inserting text, with a block of lines being shifted over to the right with a variety of indents.  Can recover by undoing the text insert.  No crash.

None of these happens to me. I tried 1 and 2 twenty times; no crash or failure. I've never seen 3.

Mulberry 4.0.8 with this system info:

  System Version:	Mac OS X 10.5.1 (9B18)
  Kernel Version:	Darwin 9.1.0

  Model Name:	Mac Pro
  Model Identifier:	MacPro1,1
  Processor Name:	Dual-Core Intel Xeon
  Processor Speed:	3 GHz
  Number Of Processors:	2
  Total Number Of Cores:	4
  L2 Cache (per processor):	4 MB
  Memory:	8 GB
  Bus Speed:	1.33 GHz
  Boot ROM Version:	MP11.005C.B08



From alex at alex.org.uk  Tue Feb 12 08:39:51 2008
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:39:51 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Message-ID: <E9F6634D2946EAC8333F8096@Ximines.local>



--On 12 February 2008 13:18:31 +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn 
<Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de> wrote:

>> Is this known about? I can repeat it 100% but don't know what to do
>> about getting call stacks out given the only option is power off the
>> Mac.
>
> Right. You'd need a second computer. If you have access to another one
> you could try to SSH into your Mac and see if that still works. If so,
> there are a number of things you could try. I can elaborate if you're
> interested.

I can probably ssh in if I can work out how to turn ssh on in non-server
Leopard. At least sometimes when this happens, the computer is still
alive - once the display was so corrupted I could see it was trying to
bring down "shutdown" dialog boxes (I'd hit the shutdown shortcut) but
not what they were asking).

So please do elaborate.

Alex

From alex at alex.org.uk  Tue Feb 12 08:43:16 2008
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:43:16 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Message-ID: <67A9251330873354C855B56A@Ximines.local>



--On 12 February 2008 13:18:31 +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn 
<Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de> wrote:

>> Is this known about? I can repeat it 100% but don't know what to do
>> about getting call stacks out given the only option is power off the
>> Mac.
>
> Right. You'd need a second computer. If you have access to another one
> you could try to SSH into your Mac and see if that still works. If so,
> there are a number of things you could try. I can elaborate if you're
> interested.

I should add that Mulberry doesn't actually seem to crash. The 100%
repeatable version of this crash, it just sits there with the hourglass
up (which doesn't go away if I switch applications, though that may
be because I can't /see/ the other applications as the menu bar ends
up all misdrawn). And on other occasions I've seen it (always triggered
by undo) I've been pretty sure I could see a (corrupted) version of the
mail message I was typing into move up and down as I was editing it
(though the screen was all green and the letters in the wrong place).

Alex

From dave at scocca.org  Tue Feb 12 09:02:35 2008
From: dave at scocca.org (Dave Scocca)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <827F72E2A882D8A8089C10CE@Eagle.local>


Alex,

> I've finally discovered how to repeat the Mulberry bug that's been, ahem,
> bugging me. It's a nasty bug as it kills the whole Mac, not just Mulberry.
> This is on an up to date Leopard with 4.0.8.

I was unable to replicate this in three tries under Tiger 10.4.11 with Mulberry 
4.0.8.

Here's a question--you mentioned a signature, were you talking about a 
signature of your own, or of the signature on the message you were replying to? 
I believe Mulberry tries to keep track of the # of bytes at the end of the 
message that represent your signature; if you edit the part of the message 
containing your signature and then change signatures by changing identities, 
you may get unexpected results.

If you turn off your signature completely does the problem go away?

Dave

From m.loeser at bath.ac.uk  Tue Feb 12 09:02:40 2008
From: m.loeser at bath.ac.uk (Mathias Loeser)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:02:40 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Signature at message bottom (after citation) -
	can this be changed?
Message-ID: <B82EDE0B346845D63B73A4CE@eepc-mar10.campus.bath.ac.uk>


Hi people,

I hope this question has not been brought up too often already, but 
whenever I forward or repeat to a message Mulberry automatically puts my 
signature at the very end of the message (as in this mail) - instead of 
that I would like to have it right before the "forwarded message line" and 
the beginning of the old message.

Does anyone know how to do that?

Thanks a lot and greets from UK,

Mathias



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From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Tue Feb 12 09:04:05 2008
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:04:05 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <67A9251330873354C855B56A@Ximines.local>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<67A9251330873354C855B56A@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <67790D4D0807A9AD988B5B2E@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

--On 12. Februar 2008 13:43:16 +0000 Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk> wrote:

>> Right. You'd need a second computer. If you have access to another one
>> you could try to SSH into your Mac and see if that still works. If so,
>> there are a number of things you could try. I can elaborate if you're
>> interested.
>
> I should add that Mulberry doesn't actually seem to crash.

I got that. The UI just becomes unusable. Otherwise you'd have a crashlog 
to work with. So actually it's *worse* that it's not a crash.
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.
                   .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:.
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From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Tue Feb 12 09:30:05 2008
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30:05 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <E9F6634D2946EAC8333F8096@Ximines.local>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<E9F6634D2946EAC8333F8096@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <33F30C2B50CA0E45D42B5C0A@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

--On 12. Februar 2008 13:39:51 +0000 Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk> wrote:

>> Right. You'd need a second computer. If you have access to another one
>> you could try to SSH into your Mac and see if that still works. If so,
>> there are a number of things you could try. I can elaborate if you're
>> interested.
>
> I can probably ssh in if I can work out how to turn ssh on in non-server
> Leopard.

That's the easy part :-)

Just go to the Sharing tab of System Preferences and turn on Remote Login.

> At least sometimes when this happens, the computer is still
> alive - once the display was so corrupted I could see it was trying to
> bring down "shutdown" dialog boxes (I'd hit the shutdown shortcut) but
> not what they were asking).
>
> So please do elaborate.

Well, if you manage to get into the machine once it's in that state there 
are any number of thing you could try. First you should find out the PID of 
Mulberry, e.g.:

ps x | grep Mulberry | grep -v grep

The first number is Mulberry's PID. Now you can try to find out what it's 
doing. Run these commands:

sample PID 10 (replace PID with the actual PID, leave 10 as is).
sudo dtruss -p PID

Have the latter run for awhile. Ultimately you can try

kill PID

to see if that returns the system to normal.
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.
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From joel at columbia.edu  Tue Feb 12 10:01:07 2008
From: joel at columbia.edu (Joel Rosenblatt)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:01:07 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Suggestion
Message-ID: <0218F2DB9507C5DCE9D5E3AD@SECDESK.columbia.edu>

Hi,

Would it be possible to add a "today" variable to the search for dates?  It would be extra nice if you could do "today - #ofdays"

I am always searching in the last few days of messages for something and have saved searches to do it, but I have to reset the date field every time I use them.

I appreciate your consideration of this.

By the way, I love Mulberry - I get over 500 emails a day and keep 3 months (about 40,000-50,000) in my inbox - the search feature alone is worth the price of 
admission :-)

Thank you,
Joel Rosenblatt

Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security
Columbia Information Security Office (CISO)
Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033
http://www.columbia.edu/~joel


From alex at alex.org.uk  Tue Feb 12 10:10:19 2008
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:10:19 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <827F72E2A882D8A8089C10CE@Eagle.local>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<827F72E2A882D8A8089C10CE@Eagle.local>
Message-ID: <5B90A58AB0A4F9AA5B923660@Ximines.local>

Dave,

--On 12 February 2008 09:02:35 -0500 Dave Scocca <dave at scocca.org> wrote:

> I was unable to replicate this in three tries under Tiger 10.4.11 with
> Mulberry 4.0.8.
>
> Here's a question--you mentioned a signature, were you talking about a
> signature of your own, or of the signature on the message you were
> replying to?

Actually both. The signature I was referring too is a long signature
from someone else, but you are right I am adding my own signature to the
end automatically (which is the rather short "Alex")

> I believe Mulberry tries to keep track of the # of bytes at
> the end of the message that represent your signature; if you edit the
> part of the message containing your signature and then change signatures
> by changing identities, you may get unexpected results.

Indeed, though (a) I am not changing identities, and (b) unexpected
shouldn't include "dead system"! I've seen this symptom before on the
PC, and what it appeared to do (reasonably sensibly) was just delete
the last n characters of the message (where n is the length of the
old sig) and then add the new sig.

But you might be onto something as I'd selected right down to the
bottom, including my own signature.

> If you turn off your signature completely does the problem go away?

I will try and isolate the problem a little further when I have some
time to spare; rebooting the Mac etc. means I can't just play with it
at will.

Alex

From alex at alex.org.uk  Tue Feb 12 10:18:08 2008
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:18:08 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <33F30C2B50CA0E45D42B5C0A@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<E9F6634D2946EAC8333F8096@Ximines.local>
	<33F30C2B50CA0E45D42B5C0A@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Message-ID: <958575BA7CFCB6A7BBFAAC9E@Ximines.local>

>> I can probably ssh in if I can work out how to turn ssh on in non-server
>> Leopard.
>
> That's the easy part :-)
>
> Just go to the Sharing tab of System Preferences and turn on Remote Login.

Doh. I come from a UNIX background so expected it to be hard :-)

> sample PID 10 (replace PID with the actual PID, leave 10 as is).
> sudo dtruss -p PID

OK easy enough. I've also successfully attached gdb to a running
mulberry process but there seems to be no debug information available.
Is a core dump etc. much use without that?

I can compile a version locally if required, I suppose (but probably
not this week, too busy).

Alex

From dave at scocca.org  Tue Feb 12 10:20:41 2008
From: dave at scocca.org (Dave Scocca)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:20:41 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <33F30C2B50CA0E45D42B5C0A@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<E9F6634D2946EAC8333F8096@Ximines.local>
	<33F30C2B50CA0E45D42B5C0A@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Message-ID: <1B62B87E4DBE65DD6496FA8F@[10.8.2.178]>


--On 2/12/2008 3:30 PM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:

> Well, if you manage to get into the machine once it's in that state there
> are any number of thing you could try. First you should find out the PID
> of Mulberry, e.g.:
>
> ps x | grep Mulberry | grep -v grep
>
> The first number is Mulberry's PID. Now you can try to find out what it's
> doing. Run these commands:
>
> sample PID 10 (replace PID with the actual PID, leave 10 as is).
> sudo dtruss -p PID

I think you could also set this up with redirection to a file, in advance, 
so you don't have to get into the machine once it's hung.  Start Mulberry, 
go into Terminal to get the PID and kick off

sudo dtruss -p PID > ~/mytrace.txt

before you have any issues.  Then make the problem happen, wait a while 
before rebooting, and the results should be down at the end of the trace 
file.

Dave

From alex at alex.org.uk  Tue Feb 12 10:41:07 2008
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:41:07 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <1B62B87E4DBE65DD6496FA8F@[10.8.2.178]>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<3CD2765EE820A726360FF885@dhcp128-193.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<E9F6634D2946EAC8333F8096@Ximines.local>
	<33F30C2B50CA0E45D42B5C0A@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<1B62B87E4DBE65DD6496FA8F@[10.8.2.178]>
Message-ID: <917DC8954DC0E338FAD9203C@Ximines.local>



--On 12 February 2008 10:20:41 -0500 Dave Scocca <dave at scocca.org> wrote:

> sudo dtruss -p PID > ~/mytrace.txt
>
> before you have any issues.  Then make the problem happen, wait a while
> before rebooting, and the results should be down at the end of the trace
> file.

Good plan, especially combined with "sleep 60; kill [dtrace PID]" in
another window. I will try that.

Alex

From daboo at mulberrymail.com  Tue Feb 12 11:19:06 2008
From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:19:06 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<EBE881357020E7A12B663774@121-244-132-194.icannmeeting.org>
Message-ID: <603E1CB198ABB5DD2C96975E@caldav.corp.apple.com>

Hi Paul,

--On February 12, 2008 9:49:26 PM +1000 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> 
wrote:

> 1. Right click on a folder and select "Details..." - Mulberry almost
> always crashes.
> 2. option-click on the Subject or To/From field in a mailbox index (to
> set search filter on that value) - Mulberry often crashes.

Can you create tickets for the above and attach a crash dump to each (if 
you've not done so already), thanks.

> 3. Occasionally message formatting gets really messed up when inserting
> text, with a block of lines being shifted over to the right with a
> variety of indents.  Can recover by undoing the text insert.  No crash.

Can you create a ticket for the above too. If possible a set of steps to 
reproduce this would be good with a screen shot of the mangled state, 
thanks.

-- 
Cyrus Daboo


From daboo at mulberrymail.com  Tue Feb 12 11:36:32 2008
From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:36:32 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <F4166DE39D00DB0310C1F056@caldav.corp.apple.com>

Hi Alex,

--On February 12, 2008 10:32:33 AM +0000 Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk> 
wrote:

> I've finally discovered how to repeat the Mulberry bug that's been, ahem,
> bugging me. It's a nasty bug as it kills the whole Mac, not just Mulberry.
> This is on an up to date Leopard with 4.0.8.
>
> Reply to a message (the one I'm using is 3 lines with about 20 lines of
> sig). Select the top of the message (the bit above the quotes), and hit
> delete, then type in a name (like "Cyrus,") and two returns. Now go
> under the 3 useful lines of message, select to the end, and press delete.
> If the bug is going to happen, you see your 3 lines deleted too (even
> though they weren't selected). Now press CTRL-Z several times. You then
> see the rotating multicolour hourglass thing, the screen shift to the
> left (slowly) by one pixel, and the machine hangs. Sometimes you get
> some other display corruption. The OS-X Gui is dead from that point on.
> It looks to me like some system call has been passed a bad parameter
> it didn't catch, and it's moving a block of memory with negative length
> or something.
>
> Is this known about? I can repeat it 100% but don't know what to do
> about getting call stacks out given the only option is power off the
> Mac.

I was able to reproduce this.

ssh'ing in showed that Mulberry itself had died. There is a crash log 
recorded for that and it appears to show a memory corruption issue - I 
suspect its doing a memcpy with a negative int that is being treated as a 
very large signed int. However, that really should not affect the system in 
this manner. I will have to investigate this in more detail to see exactly 
what is up and try and get a reproducible test app to send to Apple.

In the meantime, can you file a ticket on this with your instructions from 
your message included, thanks.

-- 
Cyrus Daboo


From dbosso+lists.mulberry at lsit.ucsb.edu  Tue Feb 12 11:53:35 2008
From: dbosso+lists.mulberry at lsit.ucsb.edu (David R Bosso)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:53:35 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Quoted printable decoding?
Message-ID: <03450D34FDBE13023BF33AAE@bossland.lsit.ucsb.edu>

Hi,

I'm seeing some oddities with quoted printable decoding using 4.0.8 on OS-X.

A message part that starts:

Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=iso-8859-1; name="document.doc"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="document.doc"; size=122335

=D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00>=00=
=03=00=FE=FF=09=00=06=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=01=00=00=00O=00=00=00=
=00=00=00=00=00=10=00=00Q=00=00=00=01=00=00=00=FE=FF=FF=FF=00=00=00=00N=00=
=00=00=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=

Ends up looking like this when extracted (hexdump):

0000000 d0 cf 11 e0 a1 b1 1a e1 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20
0000010 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 3e 20 03 20 fe ff 09 20
0000020 06 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 20 20 20
0000030 4f 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 10 20 20 51 20 20 20
0000040 01 20 20 20 fe ff ff ff 20 20 20 20 4e 20 20 20
0000050 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff

Other clients seem to be able to decode this.  Anyone else seen this?  Any 
ideas?

Thanks.

-David


From alex at alex.org.uk  Tue Feb 12 12:05:04 2008
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:05:04 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Very nasty repeatable OS-X bug
In-Reply-To: <F4166DE39D00DB0310C1F056@caldav.corp.apple.com>
References: <679D20617264976291993EC7@Ximines.local>
	<F4166DE39D00DB0310C1F056@caldav.corp.apple.com>
Message-ID: <E97646185E28540A52A427C0@Ximines.local>

Cyrus,

--On 12 February 2008 11:36:32 -0500 Cyrus Daboo <daboo at mulberrymail.com> 
wrote:

> I was able to reproduce this.

Thanks

> ssh'ing in showed that Mulberry itself had died. There is a crash log
> recorded for that and it appears to show a memory corruption issue - I
> suspect its doing a memcpy with a negative int that is being treated as a
> very large signed int. However, that really should not affect the system
> in this manner. I will have to investigate this in more detail to see
> exactly what is up and try and get a reproducible test app to send to
> Apple.

Indeed. Looks like there are 2 bugs, a mulberry bug in that it's
passing a wrong parameter somewhere, and a nasty OS bug that isn't
checking it (clearly a security problem as you can crash the whole
system from an unprivileged program).

> In the meantime, can you file a ticket on this with your instructions
> from your message included, thanks.

Done: Ticket #293; I attached your reply too.

Alex

From daboo at mulberrymail.com  Tue Feb 12 12:09:38 2008
From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Quoted printable decoding?
In-Reply-To: <03450D34FDBE13023BF33AAE@bossland.lsit.ucsb.edu>
References: <03450D34FDBE13023BF33AAE@bossland.lsit.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID: <D8FAC0A6E34F41ABF1270578@caldav.corp.apple.com>

Hi David,

--On February 12, 2008 8:53:35 AM -0800 David R Bosso 
<dbosso+lists.mulberry at lsit.ucsb.edu> wrote:

> Content-Type: text/richtext; charset=iso-8859-1; name="document.doc"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="document.doc"; size=122335
>
> =D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00>
> =00=
> =03=00=FE=FF=09=00=06=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=01=00=00=00O=00=00
> =00=
> =00=00=00=00=00=10=00=00Q=00=00=00=01=00=00=00=FE=FF=FF=FF=00=00=00=00N=0
> 0=
> =00=00=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=
> FF=
>
> Ends up looking like this when extracted (hexdump):
>
> 0000000 d0 cf 11 e0 a1 b1 1a e1 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20
> 0000010 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 3e 20 03 20 fe ff 09 20
> 0000020 06 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 20 20 20
> 0000030 4f 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 10 20 20 51 20 20 20
> 0000040 01 20 20 20 fe ff ff ff 20 20 20 20 4e 20 20 20
> 0000050 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
>
> Other clients seem to be able to decode this.  Anyone else seen this?
> Any ideas?

NULLs (=00) are being converted into spaces (=20). Not sure why but it is a 
bug. Please file a ticket.

(I am planning on doing a round of changes for an update soon so tickets 
are not a "support black-hole").

-- 
Cyrus Daboo


From dbosso+lists.mulberry at lsit.ucsb.edu  Tue Feb 12 13:10:05 2008
From: dbosso+lists.mulberry at lsit.ucsb.edu (David R Bosso)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:10:05 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Quoted printable decoding?
In-Reply-To: <D8FAC0A6E34F41ABF1270578@caldav.corp.apple.com>
References: <03450D34FDBE13023BF33AAE@bossland.lsit.ucsb.edu>
	<D8FAC0A6E34F41ABF1270578@caldav.corp.apple.com>
Message-ID: <90086DA052B7B6CEFD8955DC@bossland.lsit.ucsb.edu>

--On February 12, 2008 12:09:38 PM -0500 Cyrus Daboo 
<daboo at mulberrymail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>
> NULLs (=00) are being converted into spaces (=20). Not sure why but it is
> a bug. Please file a ticket.

done.  Thanks.

-David

From mailinglists at nierenschaden.de  Sat Feb 16 16:29:14 2008
From: mailinglists at nierenschaden.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Jens_D=C3=B6nhoff?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:29:14 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <0218F2DB9507C5DCE9D5E3AD@SECDESK.columbia.edu>
References: <0218F2DB9507C5DCE9D5E3AD@SECDESK.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <172D104E6BADDA6E9F69F3F2@hubert.core>

Hi.

--On Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:01:07 AM -0500 Joel Rosenblatt 
<joel at columbia.edu> wrote:

> I am always searching in the last few days of messages for something
> and have saved searches to do it, but I have to reset the date field
> every time I use them.

You can already do that, if you search e.g. for "Date Recieved" and 
choose "Is Within" (...) "Days". As far as I understand it, that 
searches within the last (...) days, starting with today.

Greetings,

Jens
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From joel at columbia.edu  Sat Feb 16 17:44:05 2008
From: joel at columbia.edu (Joel Rosenblatt)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:44:05 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <172D104E6BADDA6E9F69F3F2@hubert.core>
References: <0218F2DB9507C5DCE9D5E3AD@SECDESK.columbia.edu>
	<172D104E6BADDA6E9F69F3F2@hubert.core>
Message-ID: <0EFEB3101C7A2E27CAB1EB5D@[192.168.1.100]>

Hi Jens,

Thank you very much .. I never notices that as a choice :-)

Never mind - this is just what I was looking for.

Regards,
Joel Rosenblatt

Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security
Columbia Information Security Office (CISO)
Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033
http://www.columbia.edu/~joel


--On Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:29 PM +0100 Jens D?nhoff <mailinglists at nierenschaden.de> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> --On Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:01:07 AM -0500 Joel Rosenblatt <joel at columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>> I am always searching in the last few days of messages for something
>> and have saved searches to do it, but I have to reset the date field
>> every time I use them.
>
> You can already do that, if you search e.g. for "Date Recieved" and choose "Is Within" (...) "Days". As far as I understand it, that searches within the last
> (...) days, starting with today.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Jens



Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security
Columbia Information Security Office (CISO)
Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033
http://www.columbia.edu/~joel


From srb at umich.edu  Mon Feb 18 14:56:39 2008
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:56:39 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Controlling MIME type for outgoing .xls
	attachment on Mac OS X
Message-ID: <0E19CBB0764DF95E2ECE5A72@srb.icpsr.umich.edu>

I'd swear I've seen this info somewhere, but heck if I can find it...

If I create a new message and attach an Excel spreadsheet, Mulberry uses 
the type application/octet-stream.  I'd like it to use 
application/vnd.ms-excel.  Can someone point me at what I have to change 
(and where!) to make this happen?

-- 
Steve Burling                                    <mailto:srb at umich.edu>
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910

From srb at umich.edu  Mon Feb 25 09:19:38 2008
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:19:38 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Controlling MIME type for outgoing
 .xls	attachment on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <0E19CBB0764DF95E2ECE5A72@srb.icpsr.umich.edu>
References: <0E19CBB0764DF95E2ECE5A72@srb.icpsr.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <C5531FA698D97013D188EF58@srb.icpsr.umich.edu>

--On February 18, 2008 2:56:39 PM -0500 Steve Burling <srb at umich.edu> wrote:

> I'd swear I've seen this info somewhere, but heck if I can find it...
>
> If I create a new message and attach an Excel spreadsheet, Mulberry uses
> the type application/octet-stream.  I'd like it to use
> application/vnd.ms-excel.  Can someone point me at what I have to change
> (and where!) to make this happen?

To which I reply:

Answering my own question, the MisFox preference pane was the ticket.

    <http://mac.clauss-net.de/misfox/>

-- 
Steve Burling                                    <mailto:srb at umich.edu>
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910

From paul.lemmens at gmail.com  Wed Feb 27 03:41:32 2008
From: paul.lemmens at gmail.com (Paul Lemmens)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:41:32 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Spam Assassin/Spampal
In-Reply-To: <4A816000018998E8118FD61E@410C30E69E457113BFD56209>
References: <mailman.318.1202318824.135.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
	<4A816000018998E8118FD61E@410C30E69E457113BFD56209>
Message-ID: <b9065fc0802270041t6cfb3825x3c3c86d5f08b96a@mail.gmail.com>

David,

On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 1:15 AM, David Gessel <gessel at blackrosetech.com> wrote:
> Dave,
>
>  I use SpamAssassin on my server in combination with Procmail to provide
>  fairly effective filtering.  The basic model is:
>
>  I get a couple of spam messages a week through this and so far no false
>  positive complaints.  I'd be happy to share my scripts and the places I
>  found useful information on how to set it up.
>
Yes, I would love to look into your work and see if/how I can adapt it
for personal use on my own server.

Best regards,
Paul Lemmens

From pauls at utdallas.edu  Wed Feb 27 10:52:08 2008
From: pauls at utdallas.edu (Paul Schmehl)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:52:08 -0600
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Source code
Message-ID: <2B74CCC112CA03037E074F60@utd65257.utdallas.edu>

I know the source code is available for Mac, Linux and Windows.  Is there a 
tutorial somewhere that would help me understand how to tweak the Makefiles to 
compile this thing on FreeBSD?  Is it a ton of work?  Or just a few minor 
changes?

Since I got a new box and installed FreeBSD 7.0, I'm having problems with core 
dumps when I try to click on a link in an email.  I'd like to compile this 
thing natively, if that's possible.

-- 
Paul Schmehl (pauls at utdallas.edu)
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/