From davidbo at kth.se Sun Nov 2 18:00:15 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:00:15 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Certificate Message-ID: <5249A7394267107F81E77B2B@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> --On 2008-10-31 15.23 +0100 Steve Roylance wrote: > David, > > The GlobalSign Root Certificates are located here:- > > http://secure.globalsign.net/cacert/xxx from the choice below > > Root-R1.cacert > Root-R1.crt > Root-R1.der > Root-R1.pem > Root-R2.cacert > Root-R2.crt > Root-R2.der > Root-R2.pem > Root.cacert > Root.crt > Root.der > Root.pem > > Root is our most ubiquitous root which expires in 2014 and seems to be > inside Mulberry by default on Windows (I'm checking MAC OS later however > we are in the base MAC OS so there should be no major issues) > Root-R1 is the same key material extended until 2028 expiry > Root-R2 is our new root created in 2006 which is being seeded. > > The cert that you point to is the GTE CyberTrust root and is located there > due to the previous relationship between GlobalSign and CyberTrust. Hello. Can you rephrase your posting? I don't understand what I must do to avoid the warnings I see when I connect to my servers. If I do % openssl s_client -connect webmail.kth.se:imaps I see the following output (posting continues below): CONNECTED(00000004) depth=1 /C=BE/O=Cybertrust/OU=Educational CA/CN=Cybertrust Educational CA verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate verify return:0 --- Certificate chain 0 s:/C=SE/O=Kungliga Tekniska Hogskolan/OU=ITE/CN=webmail.kth.se i:/C=BE/O=Cybertrust/OU=Educational CA/CN=Cybertrust Educational CA 1 s:/C=BE/O=Cybertrust/OU=Educational CA/CN=Cybertrust Educational CA i:/C=US/O=GTE Corporation/OU=GTE CyberTrust Solutions, Inc./CN=GTE CyberTrust Global Root --- Server certificate -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- MIIErTCCA5WgAwIBAgILAQAAAAABGf/zufwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwXzELMAkG A1UEBhMCQkUxEzARBgNVBAoTCkN5YmVydHJ1c3QxFzAVBgNVBAsTDkVkdWNhdGlv bmFsIENBMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDeWJlcnRydXN0IEVkdWNhdGlvbmFsIENBMB4XDTA4 MDUxOTA2NTI0N1oXDTEwMDUxOTA2NTI0N1owWjELMAkGA1UEBhMCU0UxJDAiBgNV BAoTG0t1bmdsaWdhIFRla25pc2thIEhvZ3Nrb2xhbjEMMAoGA1UECxMDSVRFMRcw FQYDVQQDEw53ZWJtYWlsLmt0aC5zZTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCC AQoCggEBALbz3GgOBzXYe5r9eyetX9pFVZ31bMnFxmSLrKfddatgUeyyZELzBtth A3KzEKo5YC52gPMsKkMSUuqZ+7uXhaCegXmQ9XyTPVvvxuHpWabBBhuo23d9Gz4c dggkHqGp5LFkEXiyQJRPcY+Vn8QYGfT3jTL+dg0SmQuuFqh+D0DYkH/DluxRUTsG xuFDDnwV7KCVX83R+P91OO/oRWldMZ7+QbBIgq0PNgvb6HkGYklH+3wfjP709/RL tD01qGYlFshwJbpy//n5kbD5M0GG+/TevjGWlQgz48jaad1XBp6fwe85EiJ/TvmE mDjR/SiOHkqvd2hafg8wZQen7NhnJGkCAwEAAaOCAW0wggFpMFAGA1UdIARJMEcw RQYHKoZIsT4BADA6MDgGCCsGAQUFBwIBFixodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdsb2JhbHNpZ24u bmV0L3JlcG9zaXRvcnkvY3BzLmNmbTAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMCBaAwHwYDVR0jBBgw FoAUZWWjPdc7EaMKByU3yUJKW3Z3UOEwHQYDVR0OBBYEFGblf0XixvVbmgr4KXES DvF+hk6eMDoGA1UdHwQzMDEwL6AtoCuGKWh0dHA6Ly9jcmwuZ2xvYmFsc2lnbi5u ZXQvZWR1Y2F0aW9uYWwuY3JsME8GCCsGAQUFBwEBBEMwQTA/BggrBgEFBQcwAoYz aHR0cDovL3NlY3VyZS5nbG9iYWxzaWduLm5ldC9jYWNlcnQvZWR1Y2F0aW9uYWwu Y3J0MB0GA1UdJQQWMBQGCCsGAQUFBwMBBggrBgEFBQcDAjAZBgNVHREEEjAQgg53 ZWJtYWlsLmt0aC5zZTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAQEAlAoCWBTj/CIxO3pXPWv8 2RjIq3BWJBRTxmiQPG6i/uSgDUIp6Z4tdnpRJYAvz5Z06sz++cwQnMET/EwtNHGN K9neCg+N2K9JkgGOcHsBu+euckegwziFfZ3W8cT2I2fgVRAtO5buq1Eiu72Dap9f 4hmTJuFCJzuJ4C8wbDzx7EoJsfceu8kRhi7LvmCmxuVx1SxJRNcahOLdtrl+UmhP y2F55EFob855edbD0NOwwQoDALAL2oM4kxRKezFX0CUhX94IzgZ2uuOPabEoZ/m6 I3EksQOlUmpKeDw38k5lS1ksQrOkTScz98tBuhrZxsBzaw8Z/7CE0jIznbJTGG3q yw== -----END CERTIFICATE----- subject=/C=SE/O=Kungliga Tekniska Hogskolan/OU=ITE/CN=webmail.kth.se issuer=/C=BE/O=Cybertrust/OU=Educational CA/CN=Cybertrust Educational CA --- No client certificate CA names sent --- SSL handshake has read 2450 bytes and written 450 bytes --- New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is AES128-SHA Server public key is 2048 bit Compression: NONE Expansion: NONE SSL-Session: Protocol : TLSv1 Cipher : AES128-SHA Session-ID: 581B000024C500D8EB6B624D6DD5FA74019380CB2A328B6BB299CF12C82B1EDB Session-ID-ctx: Master-Key: 68B96FBDC6719C30137F389DC38285B0D23DC0CBD96FC2EA889CAF16E85820ABAF2565EA06D1EF6F21E74BD452AEB926 Key-Arg : None Start Time: 1225565156 Timeout : 300 (sec) Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate) --- * OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is ready. ^C -------------------------------------------- Neither Thunderbird or Mail.app have any issues with this certificate when run on the same computer (Mac OS X 10.5). Furthermore, when I connect to the webmail with Firefox, which I assumes uses the same certificate - no problems at all. I guess this means that the necessary certificate is in my keychain - doesn't Mulberry use the keychain? Furthermore, from time to time (a restart usually solves this specific problem) MB warns for Gmail's certificate. I can't imagine that they don't use a perfectly legitimate certificate. Anyone else seeing this? And why is it intermittent, that is just weird!?! -- Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry From davidbo at kth.se Sun Nov 2 18:09:33 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:09:33 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: <4E27C39C13D605EF6DC94F2A@[192.168.1.100]> References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> <4E27C39C13D605EF6DC94F2A@[192.168.1.100]> Message-ID: --On 2008-10-07 20.12 +0200 Joan Korenman wrote: > Hi, Cyrus. Thanks for your prompt response. If it were just one or two > people whose messages were causing this problem, I would at least try to > get them to change, though since many email clients don't have a problem > with their messages, I doubt that they'd be willing to do something like > that simply to please me. But in fact the problematic messages I receive > come from many different sources, not just one or two. I suppose that > each time I get such a message, I could open Thunderbird and read the > message there, but frankly that's far from an ideal solution. Is there > some way that you can make Mulberry better able to accommodate all these > other email clients that apparently don't provide the information > Mulberry currently needs? I don't understand your problem. You must be receiving mail from a very specific group of users. Since I am Swedish most mails I receive contains accented characters (???) and I can't recall that it ever happened to me that these letters didn't display correctly. -- Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry From davidbo at kth.se Sun Nov 2 18:13:52 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:13:52 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] sending smtp with gmail issues In-Reply-To: <9435DE3E55E4AFDC7C0778FF@[192.168.1.103]> References: <39F0B74EAC084C78F9771AF0@cse-rjh.cse.bris.ac.uk> <9435DE3E55E4AFDC7C0778FF@[192.168.1.103]> Message-ID: <145C4504AEE3CB09754C7439@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> --On 2008-10-09 21.31 +0200 1840trader at gmail.com wrote: > Thaat's what I figured had happened, but when I pull up Thunderbird and > other such apps, they have no problem sending at all. Oh well. At least > I know it's not my end. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate knowing it's > not just me. I have two gmail accounts, setup differently with respect to their smtp settings, and haven't had this problem. FWIW my settings are as follows: smtp.gmail.com:465 - SSLv3 smtp.gmail.com:587 - STARTTLS - TLSv1 Both are set to plain text authentication. -- Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry From korenman at umbc.edu Sun Nov 2 23:05:48 2008 From: korenman at umbc.edu (Joan Korenman) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:05:48 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> <4E27C39C13D605EF6DC94F2A@[192.168.1.100]> Message-ID: <0230546E0698EDCF7BF3F1C2@[192.168.1.100]> --On Monday, November 03, 2008 12:09 AM +0100 david wrote: > I don't understand your problem. You must be receiving mail from a very > specific group of users. Since I am Swedish most mails I receive contains > accented characters (???) and I can't recall that it ever happened to me > that these letters didn't display correctly. Hi, David. As I indicated in my message, the problem comes not just from one or two people nor a specific group but from LOTS of different sources. I think that the problem may be that many of the problematic sources are in the United States, and they may not have their email clients set up to provide the correct information that Mulberry needs (though Thunderbird and some other email clients manage to function well even without the correct information). My guess is that email clients in Sweden and other countries that use accented characters routinely are much more likely to be set up to provide the information Mulberry needs (the charset parameter on the Content-Type header). Since Thunderbird and a number of other email clients can provide the proper characters even if there's no charset parameter, I'd love to see Mulberry do so as well. Joan Joan Korenman Professor Emerita of English Founder, Center for Women & Information Technology University of Maryland, Baltimore County Baltimore, MD 21250 USA korenman AT umbc.edu From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Mon Nov 3 01:58:04 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:58:04 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Certificate In-Reply-To: <5249A7394267107F81E77B2B@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> References: <5249A7394267107F81E77B2B@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> Message-ID: <10D4CEDB5F1B0DE9E8E9321F@G5.voip.local> -- david is rumored to have mumbled on 3. November 2008 00:00:15 +0100 regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Certificate: > I guess this means that the necessary certificate is in my keychain - > doesn't Mulberry use the keychain? No, it doesn't. As Cyrus wrote: > Mulberry maintains its own root certificate store (though on Linux it > also reads the default openssl root directory). ... > The root certificates are stored in a CACerts directory inside the > Plug-ins directory. > > Also, users can import their own roots via the Manage Certificates option > in the Security preferences panel. -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081103/4121e403/attachment-0001.bin From klensin+mulberry at jck.com Mon Nov 3 12:03:46 2008 From: klensin+mulberry at jck.com (John C Klensin) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:03:46 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] User certificates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since we have had a nice thread on root/CA certs, I'd like to describe what I see when I try to handle user certs with Mulberry 4.0.8 on Windows. I'm wondering whether this is the expected behavior and whether it is worth queuing a change request: Assume I have three user certificates stored in Mulberry, two with the email address associated with one identity and one with the other. The two for the same identity differ by having been certified by different CAs, so there are reasons why one might want to select one and reasons why one might select the other. What I see in the cert store is identity1 at jck.com identity1 at jck.com identity2 at jck.com Note that there is no way to tell the first one from the second one without looking inside the cert -- no way to, e.g., associate some sort of mnemonic with each that would distinguish them. If I try to send signed S/MIME mail from identity1, I get a pop-up that asks for the passphrase. It apparently has a pull-down for selection of the key to be used, but that pull-down offers only a single address, identified as "identity1 at jck.com" (i.e., it gives me no information). The other two keys are not available at all. From experimenting, the key it offers is the one most recently added, which would be reasonable if both came from the same CA, but they don't. If I try to send signed S/MIME mail from identity2, I get exactly the same pop-up, still with "identity1 at jck.com" as the name of the certificate. That is, of course, utterly useless if the receiving system tries to compare the address in the "From:" header field to the address in the cert. Is this the intended behavior and, if so, why? If it is a bug, is there a workaround other than repeatedly deleting and reinstalling certs so there is only one at any given time, or do I just need to hope for an update some day? john From davidbo at kth.se Mon Nov 3 15:28:29 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:28:29 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: <0230546E0698EDCF7BF3F1C2@[192.168.1.100]> References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> <4E27C39C13D605EF6DC94F2A@[192.168.1.100]> <0230546E0698EDCF7BF3F1C2@[192.168.1.100]> Message-ID: <03F2EE19C855096929F08846@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> --On 2008-11-03 05.05 +0100 Joan Korenman wrote: > Hi, David. As I indicated in my message, the problem comes not just from > one or two people nor a specific group but from LOTS of different > sources. I think that the problem may be that many of the problematic > sources are in the United States, and they may not have their email > clients set up to provide the correct information that Mulberry needs > (though Thunderbird and some other email clients manage to function well > even without the correct information). My guess is that email clients > in Sweden and other countries that use accented characters routinely are > much more likely to be set up to provide the information Mulberry needs > (the charset parameter on the Content-Type header). I certainly doubt that Gmail, Thunderbird, Mail.app, Hotmail, Outlook et al are setup differently depending on your location. By the method of elimination I say it is your mailserver that mangles these messages. I have seen that happen with old Exchange and FirstClass servers (although it is weird that it doesn't happen with Thunderbird). -- Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry From korenman at umbc.edu Mon Nov 3 17:49:59 2008 From: korenman at umbc.edu (Joan Korenman) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:49:59 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: <03F2EE19C855096929F08846@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> <4E27C39C13D605EF6DC94F2A@[192.168.1.100]> <0230546E0698EDCF7BF3F1C2@[192.168.1.100]> <03F2EE19C855096929F08846@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> Message-ID: <133D44D559A44C2F05DC2083@[192.168.1.100]> --On Monday, November 03, 2008 9:28 PM +0100 david wrote: > I certainly doubt that Gmail, Thunderbird, Mail.app, Hotmail, Outlook et al > are setup differently depending on your location. By the method of > elimination I say it is your mailserver that mangles these messages. I have > seen that happen with old Exchange and FirstClass servers (although it is > weird that it doesn't happen with Thunderbird). I'm not sure I see how it could be my mailserver, since my messages are NOT mangled when I read them in Thunderbird or Pegasus, just in Mulberry. The problem, as Cyrus explained it earlier, is that Mulberry depends on the charset parameter on the Content-Type header; a number of other mail clients (Thunderbird and Pegasus among them) have apparently created workarounds when the charset parameter is missing. My guess is that in countries whose languages use a more extended character set, it's more common for the charset parameter to be present. That's just a guess, but it would explain why people can use Mulberry for such languages more easily in, say, Sweden than I can in the United States. Joan Joan Korenman Professor Emerita of English Founder, Center for Women & Information Technology University of Maryland, Baltimore County Baltimore, MD 21250 USA korenman AT umbc.edu From srb at umich.edu Tue Nov 4 07:21:33 2008 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:21:33 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: <133D44D559A44C2F05DC2083@[192.168.1.100]> References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> <4E27C39C13D605EF6DC94F2A@[192.168.1.100]> <0230546E0698EDCF7BF3F1C2@[192.168.1.100]> <03F2EE19C855096929F08846@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> <133D44D559A44C2F05DC2083@[192.168.1.100]> Message-ID: <2BEAF1004EF356A7E31203D0@srb.local> --On November 3, 2008 5:49:59 PM -0500 Joan Korenman wrote: > The problem, as Cyrus explained it earlier, is that Mulberry depends on > the charset parameter on the Content-Type header; a number of other mail > clients (Thunderbird and Pegasus among them) have apparently created > workarounds when the charset parameter is missing. To which I reply: My guess is that the workaround is "they guess". Mulberry has long had a pretty strict policy of sticking to the standards, and not coddling badly-behaved MUAs or MTAs. That can be seen as a vice or a virtue, depending on on your point of view :-). -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From rick at activeservice.co.uk Wed Nov 5 07:13:07 2008 From: rick at activeservice.co.uk (Rick Jones) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:13:07 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] UI on Linux Message-ID: <95427D9526A1E982BF81B610@[192.168.7.1]> I'm finding the UI on the Linux implementation (4.0.8) rather strange. There are things that clearly don't behave properly, whereas on Windows they work fine. e.g. Drag'n'drop a message from mailbox pane to a mailbox in the list pane. If the list is long enough that it needs to be scrolled then the drop target is no longer under the pointer (if that's not clear try it and you'll see what I mean). This is regardless of whether the list is already scrolled up, or auto-scrolls as a result of dragging to the bottom. If you hit M on a message, then the move-to dialog pops up to choose a mailbox to move to. Having done this once, hitting M on a another message moves the message unconditionally. In Windows the dialog always pops up, with the last-used mailbox pre-selected. Interestingly, if the computer subsequently goes in and out of standby with Mulberry open, then the next use of M pops up the dialog again! Also, the M key doesn't work in a message window, only in a mailbox pane/window. Neither does Alt-M - there are in fact several Alt (Meta) keys that should work in a message window but don't. On similar lines, I can't get the function of clicking the Reply button while holding Alt to work either. This should being up the dialog allowing detailed selection of who to reply to - it works OK on Windows. In fact keyboard shortcuts overall seem to be problematic. I don't think I've missed any configuration options. I imported my whole configuration from Windows by copying the .mbp file, this setup all my accounts etc, which was nice. I'm running on Ubuntu Hardy 8.0.4 with Gnome desktop on a Eee PC 901. Can anyone else confirm the same problems with the Linux UI? Thanks, Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081105/bed51c41/attachment.html From IYESEYTVMXTN at spammotel.com Fri Nov 7 18:01:04 2008 From: IYESEYTVMXTN at spammotel.com (IYESEYTVMXTN at spammotel.com) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:01:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Message-ID: <1226098875.IYESEYTVMXTN@spammotel.com> This is the mail system at host spammotel.com. 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The mail system : delivery temporarily suspended: host mx1.comcast.net[76.96.62.116] refused to talk to me: 421 IMTA16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net comcast Reverse DNS failure : Try again later -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: david Subject: **Fwd: Re: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:28:29 +0100 Size: 5420 Url: http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081108/08e44bdc/attachment.mht From aorchid at mac.com Sun Nov 9 14:36:08 2008 From: aorchid at mac.com (Aric Gregson) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:36:08 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Unable to Authenticate to Exchange Server Message-ID: Hello, In the last month an exchange server that I must use has altered its authentication methods. I previously had been using 'plain' in Mulberry and automatic in other clients. Then I had to change it explicitly to 'login' for Sylpheed. The support was not able to tell me this and have been rather unhelpful with the problem in general. However, with Mulberry I have not been able to connect at all since they changed the authentication method. There is no 'login' method for Mulberry. This is the information obtained about the server from the Mulberry "Details" dialogue. It suggests that either NTML or PLAIN would work. I cannot get either to work, with or without SSL. * OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is ready. IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=NTLM AUTH=GSSAPI AUTH=PLAIN IDLE NAMESPACE LITERAL+ Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I cannot stand using Thunderbird. thanks, aric From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Sun Nov 9 14:45:54 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:45:54 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Unable to Authenticate to Exchange Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -- Aric Gregson is rumored to have mumbled on 9. November 2008 11:36:08 -0800 regarding [Mulberry-discuss] Unable to Authenticate to Exchange Server: > However, with Mulberry I have not been able to connect at all since they > changed the authentication method. There is no 'login' method for > Mulberry. This is the information obtained about the server from the > Mulberry "Details" dialogue. It suggests that either NTML or PLAIN would > work. I cannot get either to work, with or without SSL. Mulberry doesn't do NTLM, so that's out anyway. > * OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is ready. > IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=NTLM AUTH=GSSAPI AUTH=PLAIN IDLE NAMESPACE LITERAL+ PLAIN *should* work, but who knows what's going on there. If nothing else helps, I would try GSSAPI. The server clearly announces that it supports it. That might require binding your Mac to your Active Directory, however ... you'll need help from the Windows admins for that. You mention Thunderbird. So that works without any problems?? That would surprise me ... -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081109/ed8fab80/attachment-0001.bin From aorchid at mac.com Sun Nov 9 15:08:51 2008 From: aorchid at mac.com (Aric Gregson) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:08:51 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Unable to Authenticate to Exchange Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --On November 9, 2008 8:45:54 PM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Mulberry doesn't do NTLM, so that's out anyway. OK. Thought it was one of the options. >> * OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is ready. >> IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=NTLM AUTH=GSSAPI AUTH=PLAIN IDLE NAMESPACE LITERAL+ > > PLAIN *should* work, but who knows what's going on there. If nothing else > helps, I would try GSSAPI. The server clearly announces that it supports > it. That might require binding your Mac to your Active Directory, however > ... you'll need help from the Windows admins for that. > > You mention Thunderbird. So that works without any problems?? That would > surprise me ... It surprised me as well, so I am not sure what is going on. I don't think that the GSSAPI is going to be an option. The server is behind a firewall and tech is not very supportive of anything outside of Outlook on Windows. thanks From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Mon Nov 10 08:41:50 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:41:50 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Unable to Authenticate to Exchange Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D8E2A25802C222195FF19D0@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> --On 9. November 2008 12:08:51 -0800 Aric Gregson wrote: >> You mention Thunderbird. So that works without any problems?? That would >> surprise me ... > > It surprised me as well, so I am not sure what is going on. If TB works, Mulberry should work as well. The only thing that TB does differently (AFAIK) is that it chooses a mechanism automatically whereas you need to specify it manually with Mulberry. Hm, unless your Exchange server *requires* the non-standard "login" mechanism. Then you're screwed, I'm afraid ... but it *says* that it supports AUTH=PLAIN! I don't see why that doesn't work. Ultimately all we can do is guess. If you can't get your support to help you at all (at the very least check some log files), we can't help you either. -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081110/b0c96cd6/attachment.bin From bws at idmcnet.com Mon Nov 10 22:01:10 2008 From: bws at idmcnet.com (Bart W. Simpson) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:01:10 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] UW IMAP dual-use mailboxes appear as containers in Mulberry Message-ID: Recent releases of the UW IMAP server support dual-use mailboxes: they can contain both messages and subordinate mailboxes. The internal mailbox format supporting this is called "mix". Mulberry 4.0.8 worked well with mix-format mailboxes through UW IMAP release 2006g. Beginning with UW IMAP release 2006h, Mulberry misclassifies subordinate mix-format mailboxes as "containers". They are displayed using the folder icon in the server pane and they cannot be opened to view messages. Only top-level mix-format mailboxes can be opened to view messages and expanded to view subordinate mailboxes. I have included IMAP protocol traces from Mulberry for three UW IMAP releases: 2006g - server incorrectly states it is 2006f 2006h - first release that causes problems 2007d - latest UW IMAP release The mailbox structure is: INBOX a-a2-a3+a41 | +a42 b d+d2 | +d3 KeepAwhile Sent Spam All mailboxes are UW IMAP mix-format, except d is a filesystem directory and d2 and d3 are UW IMAP mbx-format (mailbox is a file). On UW IMAP release 2006h and later a2, a3, a41 and a42 appear as folders and cannot be opened in Mulberry. Other IMAP clients, like Alpine and Thunderbird, appear unaffected by these changes to the UW IMAP server. Diagnosis of the differences in server responses which are causing problems in Mulberry would be appreciated. ----- Begin 2006g ----- --> #Logging started by Mulberry on Mon Nov 10 19:11:29 2008 --> #1 Starting IMAP Session on Mon Nov 10 19:11:34 2008: solara.jan.idmcnet.com --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:35 2008 * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] solara.jan.idmcnet.com IMAP4rev1 2006f.379.1IDMC at Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:11:35 -0700 (MST) --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:35 2008 A00001 CAPABILITY * CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ IDLE UIDPLUS NAMESPACE MAILBOX-REFERRALS BINARY UNSELECT SCAN SORT THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED A00001 OK CAPABILITY completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:35 2008 A00002 STARTTLS A00002 OK STARTTLS completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:35 2008 A00003 CAPABILITY * CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ IDLE UIDPLUS NAMESPACE MAILBOX-REFERRALS BINARY UNSELECT SCAN SORT THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=LOGIN A00003 OK CAPABILITY completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:35 2008 --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:35 2008 A00005 LSUB "" "*" A00005 OK LSUB completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:35 2008 A00006 LIST "" "%" * LIST () "/" Sent * LIST (\NoSelect) "/" d * LIST () "/" Spam * LIST () "/" a * LIST () "/" KeepAwhile * LIST () "/" b * LIST () "/" INBOX A00006 OK LIST completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:35 2008 A00007 LIST "" "%/%" * LIST () "/" Sent * LIST (\NoSelect) "/" d * LIST (\NoInferiors \UnMarked) "/" d/d2 * LIST (\NoInferiors \UnMarked) "/" d/d3 * LIST () "/" Spam * LIST () "/" a * LIST () "/" a/a2 * LIST () "/" KeepAwhile * LIST () "/" b A00007 OK LIST completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:38 2008 A00008 LIST "" "a/%/%" * LIST () "/" a/a2 * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3 A00008 OK LIST completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:39 2008 A00009 LIST "" "a/a2/%/%" * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3 * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a41 * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a42 A00009 OK LIST completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:40 2008 A00010 LIST "" "a/a2/a3/%/%" * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a41 * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a42 A00010 OK LIST completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:41 2008 A00011 LIST "" "d/%/%" A00011 OK LIST completed --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:47 2008 A00012 LOGOUT * BYE solara.jan.idmcnet.com IMAP4rev1 server terminating connection A00012 OK LOGOUT completed --> #1 Stopping IMAP Session on Mon Nov 10 19:11:47 2008 --> #Logging stopped by Mulberry on Mon Nov 10 19:11:49 2008 ----- End 2006g ----- ----- Begin 2006h ----- --> #Logging started by Mulberry on Mon Nov 10 19:13:16 2008 --> #1 Starting IMAP Session on Mon Nov 10 19:13:20 2008: solara.jan.idmcnet.com --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:20 2008 * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] solara.jan.idmcnet.com IMAP4rev1 2006h.380.1IDMC at Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:13:20 -0700 (MST) --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:20 2008 A00001 CAPABILITY * CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ IDLE UIDPLUS NAMESPACE MAILBOX-REFERRALS BINARY UNSELECT SCAN SORT THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED A00001 OK CAPABILITY completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:20 2008 A00002 STARTTLS A00002 OK STARTTLS completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:20 2008 A00003 CAPABILITY * CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LITERAL+ IDLE UIDPLUS NAMESPACE MAILBOX-REFERRALS BINARY UNSELECT SCAN SORT THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=LOGIN A00003 OK CAPABILITY completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:20 2008 --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:21 2008 A00005 LSUB "" "*" A00005 OK LSUB completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:21 2008 A00006 LIST "" "%" * LIST () "/" Sent * LIST (\NoSelect) "/" d * LIST () "/" Spam * LIST () "/" a * LIST () "/" KeepAwhile * LIST () "/" b * LIST () "/" INBOX A00006 OK LIST completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:21 2008 A00007 LIST "" "%/%" * LIST () "/" Sent/ * LIST (\NoSelect) "/" d/ * LIST (\NoInferiors \UnMarked) "/" d/d2 * LIST (\NoInferiors \UnMarked) "/" d/d3 * LIST () "/" Spam/ * LIST () "/" a/ * LIST () "/" a/a2 * LIST () "/" KeepAwhile/ * LIST () "/" b/ A00007 OK LIST completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:22 2008 A00008 LIST "" "a/%/%" * LIST () "/" a/a2/ * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3 A00008 OK LIST completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:23 2008 A00009 LIST "" "a/a2/%/%" * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/ * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a41 * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a42 A00009 OK LIST completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:24 2008 A00010 LIST "" "a/a2/a3/%/%" * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a41/ * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a42/ A00010 OK LIST completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:25 2008 A00011 LIST "" "d/%/%" A00011 OK LIST completed --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:28 2008 A00012 LOGOUT * BYE solara.jan.idmcnet.com IMAP4rev1 server terminating connection A00012 OK LOGOUT completed --> #1 Stopping IMAP Session on Mon Nov 10 19:13:28 2008 --> #Logging stopped by Mulberry on Mon Nov 10 19:13:31 2008 ----- End 2006h ----- ----- Begin 2007d ----- --> #Logging started by Mulberry on Mon Nov 10 19:14:48 2008 --> #1 Starting IMAP Session on Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008: solara.jan.idmcnet.com --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008 * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 I18NLEVEL=1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] solara.jan.idmcnet.com IMAP4rev1 2007d.404IDMC at Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:14:53 -0700 (MST) --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008 A00001 CAPABILITY * CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 I18NLEVEL=1 LITERAL+ IDLE UIDPLUS NAMESPACE CHILDREN MAILBOX-REFERRALS BINARY UNSELECT ESEARCH WITHIN SCAN SORT THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED A00001 OK CAPABILITY completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008 A00002 STARTTLS A00002 OK STARTTLS completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008 A00003 CAPABILITY * CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 I18NLEVEL=1 LITERAL+ IDLE UIDPLUS NAMESPACE CHILDREN MAILBOX-REFERRALS BINARY UNSELECT ESEARCH WITHIN SCAN SORT THREAD=REFERENCES THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT MULTIAPPEND SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=LOGIN A00003 OK CAPABILITY completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008 --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008 A00005 LSUB "" "*" A00005 OK LSUB completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008 A00006 LIST "" "%" * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" Sent * LIST (\NoSelect \HasChildren) "/" d * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" Spam * LIST (\HasChildren) "/" a * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" KeepAwhile * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" b * LIST () "/" INBOX A00006 OK LIST completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:53 2008 A00007 LIST "" "%/%" * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" Sent/ * LIST (\NoSelect \HasChildren) "/" d/ * LIST (\NoInferiors \UnMarked) "/" d/d2 * LIST (\NoInferiors \UnMarked) "/" d/d3 * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" Spam/ * LIST (\HasChildren) "/" a/ * LIST (\HasChildren) "/" a/a2 * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" KeepAwhile/ * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" b/ A00007 OK LIST completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:55 2008 A00008 LIST "" "a/%/%" * LIST (\HasChildren) "/" a/a2/ * LIST (\HasChildren) "/" a/a2/a3 A00008 OK LIST completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:55 2008 A00009 LIST "" "a/a2/%/%" * LIST (\HasChildren) "/" a/a2/a3/ * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" a/a2/a3/a41 * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" a/a2/a3/a42 A00009 OK LIST completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:56 2008 A00010 LIST "" "a/a2/a3/%/%" * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" a/a2/a3/a41/ * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" a/a2/a3/a42/ A00010 OK LIST completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:14:58 2008 A00011 LIST "" "d/%/%" A00011 OK LIST completed --> #1.4148 Mon Nov 10 19:15:01 2008 A00012 LOGOUT * BYE solara.jan.idmcnet.com IMAP4rev1 server terminating connection A00012 OK LOGOUT completed --> #1 Stopping IMAP Session on Mon Nov 10 19:15:01 2008 --> #Logging stopped by Mulberry on Mon Nov 10 19:15:03 2008 ----- End 2007d ----- Bart W. Simpson Homer and Marge are not my parents. From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Tue Nov 11 07:13:50 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:13:50 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] UW IMAP dual-use mailboxes appear as containers in Mulberry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6313B927AB669E6EBBF39488@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Hi, I noticed that you posted the same question to IMAP-uw, and I guess Mark Crispin will repond in a much more knowledgeable way, but here's what I noticed. --On 10. November 2008 20:01:10 -0700 "Bart W. Simpson" wrote: > Beginning with UW IMAP release 2006h, Mulberry misclassifies > subordinate mix-format mailboxes as "containers". They are displayed > using the folder icon in the server pane and they cannot be opened to > view messages. Only top-level mix-format mailboxes can be opened to > view messages and expanded to view subordinate mailboxes. > > I have included IMAP protocol traces from Mulberry for three UW IMAP > releases: > > 2006g - server incorrectly states it is 2006f > 2006h - first release that causes problems > 2007d - latest UW IMAP release > > ----- Begin 2006g ----- > > --> #Logging started by Mulberry on Mon Nov 10 19:11:29 2008 > > --> #1.5672 Mon Nov 10 19:11:40 2008 > A00010 LIST "" "a/a2/a3/%/%" > * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a41 > * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a42 > A00010 OK LIST completed > ----- Begin 2006h ----- > > --> #Logging started by Mulberry on Mon Nov 10 19:13:16 2008 > > --> #1 Starting IMAP Session on Mon Nov 10 19:13:20 2008: > solara.jan.idmcnet.com > --> #1.2200 Mon Nov 10 19:13:24 2008 > A00010 LIST "" "a/a2/a3/%/%" > * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a41/ > * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a42/ > A00010 OK LIST completed This is the relevant difference! Starting with 2006h, uw-imapd lists those mailboxes with a trailing slash. Apparently Mulberry takes that as a sign that they're just folders, not mailboxes themselves. I've skimmed RFC 3501 but haven't found anything pertinent. We run a Cyrus IMAP server that supports dual use as well. Mulberry doesn't have any problems with that. Feel free to copy my reply to the IMAP-uw list if you want to. -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081111/79717372/attachment.bin From daboo at mulberrymail.com Tue Nov 11 08:30:34 2008 From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:30:34 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] UW IMAP dual-use mailboxes appear as containers in Mulberry In-Reply-To: <6313B927AB669E6EBBF39488@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> References: <6313B927AB669E6EBBF39488@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: <2D6763ED0F74141FA63CAC4F@caldav.corp.apple.com> Hi Sebastian, --On November 11, 2008 1:13:50 PM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > This is the relevant difference! Starting with 2006h, uw-imapd lists > those mailboxes with a trailing slash. Apparently Mulberry takes that as > a sign that they're just folders, not mailboxes themselves. I've skimmed > RFC 3501 but haven't found anything pertinent. > > We run a Cyrus IMAP server that supports dual use as well. Mulberry > doesn't have any problems with that. Yes it does look like the trailing slash is the issue. The spec is not at all clear on what it means to have a mailbox with a trailing slash and how it might differ from one without. In theory what the server is doing is perfectly "legal", so this does represent a bug in Mulberry. The trivial fix would be to ensure the trailing slash (or appropriate hierarchy delimiter) is removed from names returned by LIST. -- Cyrus Daboo From santangelo at access-k12.org Tue Nov 11 10:12:08 2008 From: santangelo at access-k12.org (Dale Santangelo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:12:08 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mullberry address book into Exchange... In-Reply-To: <2D6763ED0F74141FA63CAC4F@caldav.corp.apple.com> References: <6313B927AB669E6EBBF39488@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> <2D6763ED0F74141FA63CAC4F@caldav.corp.apple.com> Message-ID: <000801c9440f$dd0a2e80$971e8b80$@org> Hi, We are migrating some of our users from Mulberry to Outlook. I have not found a way to export/import the Mulberry address book into Outlook. Has anyone had any luck making this work? Thanks, Dale -----Original Message----- From: mulberry-discuss-bounces at lists.mulberrymail.com [mailto:mulberry-discuss-bounces at lists.mulberrymail.com] On Behalf Of Cyrus Daboo Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:31 AM To: Sebastian Hagedorn; Bart W. Simpson Cc: mulberry-discuss at mulberrymail.com Subject: Re: [Mulberry-discuss] UW IMAP dual-use mailboxes appear as containers in Mulberry Hi Sebastian, --On November 11, 2008 1:13:50 PM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > This is the relevant difference! Starting with 2006h, uw-imapd lists > those mailboxes with a trailing slash. Apparently Mulberry takes that as > a sign that they're just folders, not mailboxes themselves. I've skimmed > RFC 3501 but haven't found anything pertinent. > > We run a Cyrus IMAP server that supports dual use as well. Mulberry > doesn't have any problems with that. Yes it does look like the trailing slash is the issue. The spec is not at all clear on what it means to have a mailbox with a trailing slash and how it might differ from one without. In theory what the server is doing is perfectly "legal", so this does represent a bug in Mulberry. The trivial fix would be to ensure the trailing slash (or appropriate hierarchy delimiter) is removed from names returned by LIST. -- Cyrus Daboo From daboo at mulberrymail.com Tue Nov 11 10:19:45 2008 From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:19:45 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mullberry address book into Exchange... In-Reply-To: <000801c9440f$dd0a2e80$971e8b80$@org> References: <6313B927AB669E6EBBF39488@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> <2D6763ED0F74141FA63CAC4F@caldav.corp.apple.com> <000801c9440f$dd0a2e80$971e8b80$@org> Message-ID: Hi Dale, --On November 11, 2008 10:12:08 AM -0500 Dale Santangelo wrote: > We are migrating some of our users from Mulberry to Outlook. I have not > found a way to export/import the Mulberry address book into Outlook. > > Has anyone had any luck making this work? Export the Mulberry address book as vcard data, and then import that into Outlook. -- Cyrus Daboo From bws at idmcnet.com Wed Nov 12 01:30:49 2008 From: bws at idmcnet.com (Bart W. Simpson) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] UW IMAP dual-use mailboxes appear as containers in Mulberry References: <6313B927AB669E6EBBF39488@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> <2D6763ED0F74141FA63CAC4F@caldav.corp.apple.com> Message-ID: <92tkh45n1pijcmmjccm47kn4kc4ph36rcr@4ax.com> Hi Cyrus, On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:30:34 -0400, Cyrus Daboo wrote: >Hi Sebastian, > >--On November 11, 2008 1:13:50 PM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn > wrote: > >> This is the relevant difference! Starting with 2006h, uw-imapd lists >> those mailboxes with a trailing slash. Apparently Mulberry takes that as >> a sign that they're just folders, not mailboxes themselves. I've skimmed >> RFC 3501 but haven't found anything pertinent. >> >> We run a Cyrus IMAP server that supports dual use as well. Mulberry >> doesn't have any problems with that. > >Yes it does look like the trailing slash is the issue. The spec is not at >all clear on what it means to have a mailbox with a trailing slash and how >it might differ from one without. In theory what the server is doing is >perfectly "legal", so this does represent a bug in Mulberry. The trivial >fix would be to ensure the trailing slash (or appropriate hierarchy >delimiter) is removed from names returned by LIST. Mark Crispin on imap-uw at u.washington.edu responded to my follow-up post there. This is his response (with reformatted line endings): ----- > ----- 2006g ----- (Mulberry works) > A00010 LIST "" "a/a2/a3/%/%" > * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a41 > * LIST () "/" a/a2/a3/a42 > A00010 OK LIST completed If 2006g ever did this, this is definitely a bug. "a/a2/a3/a41" can not match "a/a2/a3/%/%", although it could match "a/a2/a3/%". The correct response is either to return nothing at all, or return "a/a2/a3/a41/". > Cyrus Daboo, author of Mulberry, stated: >> Yes it does look like the trailing slash is the issue. The spec is not at >> all clear on what it means to have a mailbox with a trailing slash and >> how it might differ from one without. In theory what the server is doing >> is perfectly "legal", so this does represent a bug in Mulberry. Cyrus is right on this; the issue is what, precisely, are the semantics of hierarchy or are all these just flat names with funny behavior for "%". These days, the best thing seems to be to take the latter approach. In imapd, the names with a trailing slash are identical to those without the trailing slash. The only difference is that the former match the wildcard and the latter do not. >> The >> trivial fix would be to ensure the trailing slash (or appropriate >> hierarchy delimiter) is removed from names returned by LIST. I think that by this, Cyrus means "in Mulberry", because it would definitely be wrong for imapd to return the names without the trailing slash. The only choices, as noted above, are to return the names without the trailing slash or not to return the names at all. > I, too, wondered about what the trailing slash means. It appears the > intention is to make the answer more closely match the format of the > question. It isn't a question of "more closely match". It is a question of "match at all"! If there is a directory "a", and a wildcard of "%/%", the question is whether or not "a" shows up at all in the listing. "a" does not match "%/%", and can not. There must be at least one slash in the returned result to match that pattern. "a/" matches. The other choice is not to show any name at all. So if you do a list of "%/%" and "a" does not have any children, then you will see no evidence that "a" exists at all. > In src/osdep/unix/dummy.c (slightly reformatted here): > > @@ -312,7 +312,7 @@ > } > /* try again with trailing / */ > else if (pmatch_full (path,pat,'/') && > - !dummy_listed (stream,'/',path,LATT_NOSELECT,contents)) > + !dummy_listed (stream,'/',tmp,LATT_NOSELECT,contents)) > break; > } > if (dmatch (path,pat,'/') && > > This avoids confusing Mulberry, but it probably reintroduces a bug. Yes, it definitely introduces a bug. It is returning a string that does not match the pattern. ----- I am running UW imapd with the regression patch/bug; otherwise Mulberry doesn't let me see inside subordinate mailboxes. I hope you can use Mark's comments to good purpose. Thanks and best wishes! -- Bart W. Simpson Homer and Marge are not my parents. From mailinglisten at fastmail.fm Wed Nov 12 10:30:14 2008 From: mailinglisten at fastmail.fm (Jan Guido Donath) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:30:14 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] LDAP configuration problem Message-ID: <13E1F61EB8218B78B1941BF6@[172.23.32.78]> Dear members, I try to setup the LDAP server of our institute in my Mulberry installation, but I don't get it to work. My employee specifies the following settings: ----------------------------------- Base-DN: dc=cpfs,dc=mpg,dc=de Port-No: 389 Bind-DN: @cpfs.mpg.de range: subfolders search filter: (&(givenName=*)(telephoneNumber=*)(physicalDeliveryOfficeName=*)(mail=*)) ----------------------------------- Where do I enter the search filter? What I tried is to enter givenName as name in attributes 1 and mail as E-Mail and so on, but that doesn't work ... Greetings, Guido -- Why is 6 afraid of 7? Because 7, 8, 9! From quanah at fast-mail.org Wed Nov 12 18:27:10 2008 From: quanah at fast-mail.org (Quanah Gibson-Mount) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:27:10 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] LDAP configuration problem In-Reply-To: <13E1F61EB8218B78B1941BF6@[172.23.32.78]> References: <13E1F61EB8218B78B1941BF6@[172.23.32.78]> Message-ID: <163A4A6ED07D6CEBDDE487A4@STONEKING-LM.CORP.YAHOO.COM> --On November 12, 2008 4:30:14 PM +0100 Jan Guido Donath wrote: > Dear members, > > I try to setup the LDAP server of our institute in my Mulberry > installation, but I don't get it to work. > > My employee specifies the following settings: > > ----------------------------------- > Base-DN: dc=cpfs,dc=mpg,dc=de > Port-No: 389 > Bind-DN: @cpfs.mpg.de The Bind-DN here doesn't look valid to me. It is usually something like: uid=,ou=people,dc=cpfs,dc=mpg,dc=de or some other LDAP format DN. --Quanah From shiva at sewingwitch.com Wed Nov 19 16:49:31 2008 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:49:31 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] v4.0.9a1 no LDIF Message-ID: <29CEEA54B344771DFF88164E@[10.170.7.6]> I just brought up a new machine (Vista 64 Ultimate) and installed Mulberry v4.0.9a1. I exported my v3 address books from my old machine in LDIF format, and then discovered that the import/export menus in 4.0.9a1 lack the LDIF option. What's the best approach for migrating all my addresses over? Alternatively, does anyone have a cookbook approach to bringing up an LDAP directory on a Red Hat system (CentOS) and loading it with Mulberry address books? From 1840trader at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 03:59:27 2008 From: 1840trader at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:59:27 -0600 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question Message-ID: <7FC5AB63A37E0FE436916731@[192.168.1.102]> Why is it that when I use my IMAP mailboxes, then move a spam message from my inbox into the server's spam folder, ALL my inbox messages are deleted? Is this a configuration setting or a possible bug? For example: Using Gmail IMAP inbox. 3 personal messages, 1 spam message. Move the spam message into the Gmail spam folder. All 3 personal messages are now deleted and the program will not let me undelete them. Something about the flag setting is not allowed. In order to save the personal messages, I have to first move them into a different folder, then move the spam message, then move the personal mail back into my inbox. The other option is to go online and move the spam mail into the spam box, then go back to my inbox. This seems like a waste of time when I have a perfectly good email client on my computer. lol. Any suggestions would be appreciated. From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Thu Nov 20 04:01:27 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:01:27 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question In-Reply-To: <7FC5AB63A37E0FE436916731@[192.168.1.102]> References: <7FC5AB63A37E0FE436916731@[192.168.1.102]> Message-ID: <36ED89D43DD07A47595F5FAC@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> --On 20. November 2008 02:59:27 -0600 Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: > Why is it that when I use my IMAP mailboxes, then move a spam message > from my inbox into the server's spam folder, ALL my inbox messages are > deleted? Is this a configuration setting or a possible bug? > > For example: > > Using Gmail IMAP inbox. That's your answer right there. Gmail IMAP is broken. It's not actually IMAP. Try a real IMAP server. -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081120/68c07bd3/attachment.bin From 1840trader at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 04:05:54 2008 From: 1840trader at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:05:54 -0600 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question In-Reply-To: <36ED89D43DD07A47595F5FAC@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> References: <7FC5AB63A37E0FE436916731@[192.168.1.102]> <36ED89D43DD07A47595F5FAC@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: that would explain quite a bit then. I've tried contacting Gmail, but they never have never answered me and the forums were clueless. Thank you for the quick response. --On Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:01 AM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > --On 20. November 2008 02:59:27 -0600 Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Why is it that when I use my IMAP mailboxes, then move a spam message >> from my inbox into the server's spam folder, ALL my inbox messages are >> deleted? Is this a configuration setting or a possible bug? >> >> For example: >> >> Using Gmail IMAP inbox. > > That's your answer right there. Gmail IMAP is broken. It's not actually > IMAP. > > Try a real IMAP server. From kim at daboo.name Thu Nov 20 06:59:23 2008 From: kim at daboo.name (Kim Daboo) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question Message-ID: <419B29E51535B8475EE6EC53@kimberly-daboos-macbook-2.local> I use my gMail inbox in Mulberry and do not see this behavior. I have their spam filtering turned on so the amount of spam I get is minimal, but I have never seen anything like that. Totally agree it's not real IMAP, but I think there has to be something else at work here. -Kim --On November 20, 2008 10:01:27 AM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > --On 20. November 2008 02:59:27 -0600 Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Why is it that when I use my IMAP mailboxes, then move a spam message > > from my inbox into the server's spam folder, ALL my inbox messages are > > deleted? Is this a configuration setting or a possible bug? > > > > For example: > > > > Using Gmail IMAP inbox. > > That's your answer right there. Gmail IMAP is broken. It's not actually IMAP. > > Try a real IMAP server. -- Kim From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Nov 20 09:37:58 2008 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:37:58 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question In-Reply-To: <419B29E51535B8475EE6EC53@kimberly-daboos-macbook-2.local> References: <419B29E51535B8475EE6EC53@kimberly-daboos-macbook-2.local> Message-ID: --On 20 November 2008 06:59:23 -0500 Kim Daboo wrote: > I use my gMail inbox in Mulberry and do not see this behavior. I have > their spam filtering turned on so the amount of spam I get is minimal, > but I have never seen anything like that. > > Totally agree it's not real IMAP, but I think there has to be something > else at work here. Er, their message store is unusual, but I think it is real IMAP. You give real IMAP commands, and reasonable behaviour usually results. I also use gmail through IMAP, and haven't seen the behaviour described. > -Kim > > --On November 20, 2008 10:01:27 AM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn > wrote: > >> --On 20. November 2008 02:59:27 -0600 Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Why is it that when I use my IMAP mailboxes, then move a spam message >> > from my inbox into the server's spam folder, ALL my inbox messages are >> > deleted? Is this a configuration setting or a possible bug? >> > >> > For example: >> > >> > Using Gmail IMAP inbox. >> >> That's your answer right there. Gmail IMAP is broken. It's not actually >> IMAP. >> >> Try a real IMAP server. -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 From shiva at sewingwitch.com Thu Nov 20 22:08:18 2008 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:08:18 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question In-Reply-To: <7FC5AB63A37E0FE436916731@[192.168.1.102]> References: <7FC5AB63A37E0FE436916731@[192.168.1.102]> Message-ID: <2FF821AED140E8C667D47262@[10.0.0.199]> --On Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:59 AM -0600 Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: > Why is it that when I use my IMAP mailboxes, then move a spam message > from my inbox into the server's spam folder, ALL my inbox messages are > deleted? Is this a configuration setting or a possible bug? Enable IMAP protocol logging and see if something fishy is happening there. (For Windows, hold down Alt and hit F twice to bring up the log control window.) From 1840trader at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 03:36:42 2008 From: 1840trader at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question In-Reply-To: <419B29E51535B8475EE6EC53@kimberly-daboos-macbook-2.local> References: <419B29E51535B8475EE6EC53@kimberly-daboos-macbook-2.local> Message-ID: <76220A7F7768373D0B13926F@[192.168.1.102]> Well, after the initial responses here, I tried a friend's computer who uses Thunderbird. My imap settings for Gmail worked just fine there. Coming back to my computer and Mulberry, I verified the settings were exactly the same, and when I moved a message to the spam box, it deleted all my inbox messages. I'm wondering if I do have a setting wrong, but I'm not sure where to check. While Gmail isn't a real IMAP server, I don't know of any others that I can use off hand. Oh well...I just have been working around it. I'm hoping I can figure out which setting I may have changed to force this weird behavior. Thanks, Steve --On Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:59 AM -0500 Kim Daboo wrote: > I use my gMail inbox in Mulberry and do not see this behavior. I have > their spam filtering turned on so the amount of spam I get is minimal, > but I have never seen anything like that. > > Totally agree it's not real IMAP, but I think there has to be something > else at work here. > > -Kim > > --On November 20, 2008 10:01:27 AM +0100 Sebastian Hagedorn > wrote: > >> --On 20. November 2008 02:59:27 -0600 Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Why is it that when I use my IMAP mailboxes, then move a spam message >> > from my inbox into the server's spam folder, ALL my inbox messages are >> > deleted? Is this a configuration setting or a possible bug? >> > >> > For example: >> > >> > Using Gmail IMAP inbox. >> >> That's your answer right there. Gmail IMAP is broken. It's not actually >> IMAP. >> >> Try a real IMAP server. From cgstauffer at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 14:09:30 2008 From: cgstauffer at gmail.com (Curt Stauffer) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:09:30 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question In-Reply-To: <76220A7F7768373D0B13926F@192.168.1.102> References: <419B29E51535B8475EE6EC53@kimberly-daboos-macbook-2.local> <76220A7F7768373D0B13926F@192.168.1.102> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: > Well, after the initial responses here, I tried a friend's computer who uses > Thunderbird. My imap settings for Gmail worked just fine there. Coming back > to my computer and Mulberry, I verified the settings were exactly the same, > and when I moved a message to the spam box, it deleted all my inbox > messages. I'm wondering if I do have a setting wrong, but I'm not sure > where to check. > > While Gmail isn't a real IMAP server, I don't know of any others that I can > use off hand. Oh well...I just have been working around it. I'm hoping I > can figure out which setting I may have changed to force this weird > behavior. Fastmail is a nice service and the price is right - they offer a free option which works just great. Good imap support and their webmail isn't too bad either. URL is www.fastmail.fm FYI, -Curt -- Curt Stauffer "Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven-Heaven Knows We Need Them Here" Support Organ and Tissue Donation - And Tell Your Family Your Wishes From quanah at fast-mail.org Fri Nov 21 14:30:51 2008 From: quanah at fast-mail.org (Quanah Gibson-Mount) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:30:51 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Question In-Reply-To: References: <419B29E51535B8475EE6EC53@kimberly-daboos-macbook-2.local> <76220A7F7768373D0B13926F@192.168.1.102> Message-ID: <8E7A68CEDA63B4F4A9D97FA9@[192.168.1.199]> --On Friday, November 21, 2008 2:09 PM -0500 Curt Stauffer wrote: > Fastmail is a nice service and the price is right - they offer a free > option which works just great. Good imap support and their webmail > isn't too bad either. > > URL is www.fastmail.fm Yep, I like them a lot. My only complaint would be that I have to hand-edit my SIEVE rules since they don't support doing the rules via Mulberry. --Quanah