From maxmaddren at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 03:49:26 2008 From: maxmaddren at iinet.net.au (maxmaddren at iinet.net.au) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:49:26 +0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Separate email addresses Message-ID: <1734.1222847366@iinet.net.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081001/9975db6c/attachment-0001.html From maxmaddren at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 03:58:17 2008 From: maxmaddren at iinet.net.au (maxmaddren at iinet.net.au) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:58:17 +0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Separate email addresses Message-ID: <1781.1222847897@iinet.net.au> My apologies for sending through previous as html I have been using Eudora for a approximately 10 plus years. One of the advantages this email client had for me, was that it allowed me to completely separate different email addresses. Each email address had a shortcut icon on the desktop that pointed to a separate folder. This folder (containing the Eudora.ini file) then contained the in and out box plus all attachments. This made backing up easy and reinstallation easy. Can Mulberry be configured the same. Windows Operating System. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Wed Oct 1 06:05:03 2008 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:05:03 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Separate email addresses In-Reply-To: <1781.1222847897@iinet.net.au> References: <1781.1222847897@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <962FDDF980553F4981FC2CAB@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On 1 October 2008 15:58:17 +0800 maxmaddren at iinet.net.au wrote: > My apologies for sending through previous as html > > I have been using Eudora for a approximately 10 plus years. One of the > advantages this email client had for me, was that it allowed me to > completely separate different email addresses. Each email address had > a shortcut icon on the desktop that pointed to a separate folder. This > folder (containing the Eudora.ini file) then contained the in and out > box plus all attachments. This made backing up easy and reinstallation > easy. Can Mulberry be configured the same. Roughly, yes. You can set up multiple IMAP or POP accounts, and have each associated with a different SMTP account. You won't see different shortcuts on the desktop, but you will see separate sets of mailboxes in Mulberry's mailbox list. > > Windows Operating System. > > > -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 From shiva at sewingwitch.com Wed Oct 1 10:47:12 2008 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:47:12 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Separate email addresses In-Reply-To: <1781.1222847897@iinet.net.au> References: <1781.1222847897@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: --On Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:58 PM +0800 maxmaddren at iinet.net.au wrote: > Each email address had a shortcut icon on the desktop > that pointed to a separate folder. This folder (containing the > Eudora.ini file) then contained the in and out box plus all attachments. > This made backing up easy and reinstallation easy. Mulberry separates the concept of "account" from "identity". An account is something you log into to get or send mail. An identity is a way for others to get mail to you (with possibly other information). For example, I have a single IMAP account that accumulates mail for multiple addresses. I have a server-side filter that moves mail for different addresses into different folder hierarchies. Mulberry lets me associate an identity with a folder and its children. So when I reply to a message in that hierarchy, that identity is used to fill in the From and other headers. I can also associate an account with an identity, so I can use different sending servers for different addresses arriving at the same IMAP server. So you can use it in very simple way, or you can configure things in a very sophisticated way. From alex at alex.org.uk Sat Oct 4 13:31:26 2008 From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:31:26 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Address capture Message-ID: <5669DBA98776E4958E7EBC2C@Ximines.local> I find myself capturing a zillion addresses from mailing lists which I really don't want to clog up my address book. I am only capturing addresses on replies now, but it still clogs things up. Would it be possible to avoid capturing addresses in some folders? Or equally usefully, have a "don't capture addresses" check box on an inherited identity which I could tie to folders. Alex From korenman at umbc.edu Tue Oct 7 13:26:36 2008 From: korenman at umbc.edu (Joan Korenman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:26:36 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again Message-ID: Have there been any new developments in Mulberry to permit it to read accented characters correctly? I've been studying Spanish, and I'm finding it VERY frustrating trying to read Spanish-language messages with Mulberry. Instead of accented characters, all Mulberry shows me is a question mark, as in the following: Podr?s verla m?s tarde. When I opened the same message in Thunderbird, I saw it correctly: Podr?s verla m?s tarde. What do I have to do to get Mulberry to show these characters correctly? FWIW, the headers from the message with the above garbled sentence include the following: Received: (qmail 4780 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 12:36:37 -0000 Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I know there are many people on this forum who receive email in languages other than English. What do you do to get Mulberry to show accented characters properly? Thanks in advance for your help. Joan Joan Korenman Professor Emerita of English Founder, Center for Women & Information Technology University of Maryland, Baltimore County Baltimore, MD 21250 USA korenman AT umbc.edu From daboo at mulberrymail.com Tue Oct 7 13:39:47 2008 From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> Hi Joan, --On October 7, 2008 1:26:36 PM -0400 Joan Korenman wrote: > Have there been any new developments in Mulberry to permit it to read > accented characters correctly? I've been studying Spanish, and I'm > finding it VERY frustrating trying to read Spanish-language messages with > Mulberry. Instead of accented characters, all Mulberry shows me is a > question mark, as in the following: Podr?s verla m?s tarde. When I > opened the same message in Thunderbird, I saw it correctly: Podr?s verla > m?s tarde. What do I have to do to get Mulberry to show these > characters correctly? FWIW, the headers from the message with the above > garbled sentence include the following: > > Received: (qmail 4780 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 12:36:37 -0000 > Content-type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I know there are many people on this forum who receive email in languages > other than English. What do you do to get Mulberry to show accented > characters properly? The Content-Type header on the message has no charset parameter so Mulberry assumes it is ascii. You need to get the person sending you these messages to use an email client that properly includes the charset parameter on the Content-Type header. It is true that other clients are possibly more tolerant of this in that they may attempt to guess or use a default non-ascii charset in cases like this, but Mulberry does not do that. -- Cyrus Daboo From dzosborn at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 13:58:34 2008 From: dzosborn at gmail.com (Donald Z. Osborn) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:58:34 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <680e31740810071058v57425b42jf7147c62ca0a3a6a@mail.gmail.com> Are there any plans to make Mulberry more "Unicode aware"? Is there an option to have Mulberry use UTF-8 (or something else, such as Latin-1) as the default instead of ASCII? Don On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi Joan, > > --On October 7, 2008 1:26:36 PM -0400 Joan Korenman > wrote: > >> Have there been any new developments in Mulberry to permit it to read >> accented characters correctly? ... ... > > The Content-Type header on the message has no charset parameter so Mulberry > assumes it is ascii. You need to get the person sending you these messages > to use an email client that properly includes the charset parameter on the > Content-Type header. It is true that other clients are possibly more > tolerant of this in that they may attempt to guess or use a default > non-ascii charset in cases like this, but Mulberry does not do that. > > -- > Cyrus Daboo > > From korenman at umbc.edu Tue Oct 7 14:12:53 2008 From: korenman at umbc.edu (Joan Korenman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:12:53 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E27C39C13D605EF6DC94F2A@[192.168.1.100]> --On Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:39 AM -0700 Cyrus Daboo wrote: > The Content-Type header on the message has no charset parameter so Mulberry > assumes it is ascii. You need to get the person sending you these messages > to use an email client that properly includes the charset parameter on the > Content-Type header. It is true that other clients are possibly more > tolerant of this in that they may attempt to guess or use a default > non-ascii charset in cases like this, but Mulberry does not do that. Hi, Cyrus. Thanks for your prompt response. If it were just one or two people whose messages were causing this problem, I would at least try to get them to change, though since many email clients don't have a problem with their messages, I doubt that they'd be willing to do something like that simply to please me. But in fact the problematic messages I receive come from many different sources, not just one or two. I suppose that each time I get such a message, I could open Thunderbird and read the message there, but frankly that's far from an ideal solution. Is there some way that you can make Mulberry better able to accommodate all these other email clients that apparently don't provide the information Mulberry currently needs? I love Mulberry and very much appreciate all the wonderful work you've done on it. I guess I'm hoping you can work your magic again to deal with this issue. Joan Joan Korenman Professor Emerita of English Founder, Center for Women & Information Technology University of Maryland, Baltimore County Baltimore, MD 21250 USA korenman AT umbc.edu From frysinsp at jmu.edu Tue Oct 7 14:42:51 2008 From: frysinsp at jmu.edu (Dr. Steven P. Frysinger) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BF3A2937E4B42EE9A02015F@isat-frysinspxp.CISAT.JMU.EDU> Joan, I'm not sure I've understood the problem correctly, but using Mulberry I had no trouble seeing your example in its correct form. Steve --On Tuesday, October 07, 2008 1:26 PM -0400 Joan Korenman wrote: > Have there been any new developments in Mulberry to permit it to read > accented characters correctly? I've been studying Spanish, and I'm > finding it VERY frustrating trying to read Spanish-language messages with > Mulberry. Instead of accented characters, all Mulberry shows me is a > question mark, as in the following: Podr?s verla m?s tarde. When I > opened the same message in Thunderbird, I saw it correctly: Podr?s verla > m?s tarde. What do I have to do to get Mulberry to show these > characters correctly? FWIW, the headers from the message with the above > garbled sentence include the following: > > Received: (qmail 4780 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2008 12:36:37 -0000 > Content-type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I know there are many people on this forum who receive email in languages > other than English. What do you do to get Mulberry to show accented > characters properly? > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Joan > > Joan Korenman > Professor Emerita of English > Founder, Center for Women & Information Technology > University of Maryland, Baltimore County > Baltimore, MD 21250 USA > korenman AT umbc.edu > > ******************************************** Steven P. Frysinger, Ph.D. Professor, Integrated Science and Technology Department Computer Science Department Director, Environmental Information Systems Program Environmental Management Program Center for Environment, Health and Safety James Madison University College of Integrated Science and Technology ISAT/CS Room 309 701 Carrier Drive - MSC 4102 Harrisonburg, Virginia 22807 United States of America Tel: 540/568-2710 Fax: 540/568-2768 Net: frysinsp at jmu.edu Web: http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/frysinger.html --------------------- Gastprofessor, Fachbereiche GIS und Maschinenbau Environmental Informatics Group (EIG) Hochschule f?r Technik und Wirtschaft (HTW) des Saarlandes Goebenstra?e 40 66117 Saarbr?cken Germany Cell: +49 (0)175 955 2303 Tel: +49 (0)681 876 5665 Net: Steven.Frysinger at enviromatics.net From frysinsp at jmu.edu Tue Oct 7 14:46:47 2008 From: frysinsp at jmu.edu (Dr. Steven P. Frysinger) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:46:47 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Update to Mac v4? Message-ID: <8B6DD9F36CE3E83885EB19D9@isat-frysinspxp.CISAT.JMU.EDU> Cyrus, this summer you had found a fix to a "time-out" problem v4 was having on Mac OS and had put it on the list for the next revision release. I'm just curious if you have any idea when that might come out. Among other reasons, I'm anxious to be able to switch back to v4 because v3 on Mac OS truncates saved file names. Thanks! Steve ******************************************** Steven P. Frysinger, Ph.D. Professor, Integrated Science and Technology Department Computer Science Department Director, Environmental Information Systems Program Environmental Management Program Center for Environment, Health and Safety James Madison University College of Integrated Science and Technology ISAT/CS Room 309 701 Carrier Drive - MSC 4102 Harrisonburg, Virginia 22807 United States of America Tel: 540/568-2710 Fax: 540/568-2768 Net: frysinsp at jmu.edu Web: http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/frysinger.html --------------------- Gastprofessor, Fachbereiche GIS und Maschinenbau Environmental Informatics Group (EIG) Hochschule f?r Technik und Wirtschaft (HTW) des Saarlandes Goebenstra?e 40 66117 Saarbr?cken Germany Cell: +49 (0)175 955 2303 Tel: +49 (0)681 876 5665 Net: Steven.Frysinger at enviromatics.net From whitmore at email.unc.edu Tue Oct 7 14:54:45 2008 From: whitmore at email.unc.edu (Thomas Whitmore) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:54:45 -0600 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] smtp ports Message-ID: <48EBB075.9050005@email.unc.edu> Hi, My university email recently changed the recommended "port" to use for sending email messages (the smtp settings). I am using the latest Mac version of Mulberry (4.0.8 ) and want to continue to use Mulberry but I cannot see how to configure Mulberry to use the recommended port and as it is now Mulberry will not "send" via my university's imap smtp port. What port does Mulberry default to and can I alter that? Thanks for all help -- I sure hope to continue to be able to use Mulberry. -- Thomas M. Whitmore Associate Professor Emeritus Department of Geography University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Mailing Address 2938 Kalmia Ave. Unit 6 Boulder, CO 80301 Home phone: 303-862-6960 Cell phone: 919-428-8536 From joel at columbia.edu Tue Oct 7 15:07:16 2008 From: joel at columbia.edu (Joel Rosenblatt) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] smtp ports In-Reply-To: <48EBB075.9050005@email.unc.edu> References: <48EBB075.9050005@email.unc.edu> Message-ID: <90516F3CCE16B0EAB52C0D04@SECDESK.columbia.edu> Hi, Right after the name of the server, you add a ":" and then the port for example send.unc.edu:587 IHTH Regards, Joel Rosenblatt Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 http://www.columbia.edu/~joel --On Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:54 PM -0600 Thomas Whitmore wrote: > Hi, > > My university email recently changed the recommended "port" to use for sending email messages (the smtp settings). I am using the latest Mac version of > Mulberry (4.0.8 ) and want to continue to use Mulberry but I cannot see how to configure Mulberry to use the recommended port and as it is now Mulberry will > not "send" via my university's imap smtp port. What port does Mulberry default to and can I alter that? > > Thanks for all help -- I sure hope to continue to be able to use Mulberry. > -- > > Thomas M. Whitmore > > Associate Professor Emeritus > > Department of Geography > > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > > Mailing Address > > 2938 Kalmia Ave. Unit 6 > > Boulder, CO 80301 > > > Home phone: 303-862-6960 > > Cell phone: 919-428-8536 > Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 http://www.columbia.edu/~joel From dave at scocca.org Tue Oct 7 15:09:06 2008 From: dave at scocca.org (Dave Scocca) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:09:06 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] smtp ports In-Reply-To: <48EBB075.9050005@email.unc.edu> References: <48EBB075.9050005@email.unc.edu> Message-ID: <20949A70685C800338AFFBDD@[10.8.2.178]> --On 10/7/2008 12:54 PM -0600 Thomas Whitmore wrote: > My university email recently changed the recommended "port" to use for > sending email messages (the smtp settings). I am using the latest Mac > version of Mulberry (4.0.8 ) and want to continue to use Mulberry but I > cannot see how to configure Mulberry to use the recommended port and as > it is now Mulberry will not "send" via my university's imap smtp port. Indicate the port with a colon and the port number after the server name, e.g. in the SMTP server field enter: imap.unc.edu:2525 (or whatever the port number is). Dave Scocca From whitmore at email.unc.edu Tue Oct 7 15:10:43 2008 From: whitmore at email.unc.edu (Thomas Whitmore) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:10:43 -0600 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] smtp ports In-Reply-To: <90516F3CCE16B0EAB52C0D04@SECDESK.columbia.edu> References: <48EBB075.9050005@email.unc.edu> <90516F3CCE16B0EAB52C0D04@SECDESK.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <7325F0ED19C0BCA840141AB9@Macintosh.local> Hi, Wow that was quick! Thanks much for the info! It now works again! --On October 7, 2008 3:07:16 PM -0400 Joel Rosenblatt wrote: > Hi, > > Right after the name of the server, you add a ":" and then the port > > for example send.unc.edu:587 > > IHTH > > Regards, > Joel Rosenblatt > > Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security > Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) > Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 > http://www.columbia.edu/~joel > > > > --On Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:54 PM -0600 Thomas Whitmore > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > My university email recently changed the recommended "port" to use for > sending email messages (the smtp settings). I am using the latest Mac > version of > > Mulberry (4.0.8 ) and want to continue to use Mulberry but I cannot see > how to configure Mulberry to use the recommended port and as it is now > Mulberry will > > not "send" via my university's imap smtp port. What port does Mulberry > default to and can I alter that? > > > > Thanks for all help -- I sure hope to continue to be able to use Mulberry. > > -- > > > > Thomas M. Whitmore > > > > Associate Professor Emeritus > > > > Department of Geography > > > > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > > > > > Mailing Address > > > > 2938 Kalmia Ave. Unit 6 > > > > Boulder, CO 80301 > > > > > > Home phone: 303-862-6960 > > > > Cell phone: 919-428-8536 > > > > > > > Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security > Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) > Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 > http://www.columbia.edu/~joel > > Thomas M. Whitmore Associate Professor Emeritus Department of Geography University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Mailing Address 2938 Kalmia Ave. Unit 6 Boulder, CO 80301 Home phone: 303-862-6960 Cell phone: 919-428-8536 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am using the latest Mac > version of Mulberry (4.0.8 ) and want to continue to use Mulberry but I > cannot see how to configure Mulberry to use the recommended port and as > it is now Mulberry will not "send" via my university's imap smtp port. > What port does Mulberry default to and can I alter that? > > Thanks for all help -- I sure hope to continue to be able to use Mulberry. > -- > > Thomas M. Whitmore > > Associate Professor Emeritus > > Department of Geography > > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > > > Mailing Address > > > 2938 Kalmia Ave. Unit 6 > > Boulder, CO 80301 > > > Home phone: 303-862-6960 > > Cell phone: 919-428-8536 -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* Check the headers before clicking on Reply. From korenman at umbc.edu Tue Oct 7 15:19:55 2008 From: korenman at umbc.edu (Joan Korenman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:19:55 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: <2BF3A2937E4B42EE9A02015F@isat-frysinspxp.CISAT.JMU.EDU> References: <2BF3A2937E4B42EE9A02015F@isat-frysinspxp.CISAT.JMU.EDU> Message-ID: <06876389141486F3914A087E@[192.168.1.100]> --On Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:42 PM -0400 "Dr. Steven P. Frysinger" wrote: > Joan, I'm not sure I've understood the problem correctly, but using > Mulberry I had no trouble seeing your example in its correct form. Hi, Steve. I think that must be because Mulberry (which I used to write the message) puts in the correct headers that Mulberry looks for. Apparently, a number of other email programs don't do that. And apparently, too, some other email programs such as Thunderbird can deal successfully with this lack of correct headers, but Mulberry, alas, cannot. Joan Joan Korenman Professor Emerita of English Founder, Center for Women & Information Technology University of Maryland, Baltimore County Baltimore, MD 21250 USA korenman AT umbc.edu From shiva at sewingwitch.com Tue Oct 7 17:39:52 2008 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:39:52 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] smtp ports In-Reply-To: <20949A70685C800338AFFBDD@[10.8.2.178]> References: <48EBB075.9050005@email.unc.edu> <20949A70685C800338AFFBDD@[10.8.2.178]> Message-ID: --On Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:09 PM -0400 Dave Scocca wrote: > imap.unc.edu:2525 > > (or whatever the port number is). For those running servers, the recommended (not mandatory) port is 587, the "submission" service. From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Tue Oct 7 16:35:28 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:35:28 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: <680e31740810071058v57425b42jf7147c62ca0a3a6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> <680e31740810071058v57425b42jf7147c62ca0a3a6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: --On 7. Oktober 2008 13:58:34 -0400 "Donald Z. Osborn" wrote: > Are there any plans to make Mulberry more "Unicode aware"? What do you miss? It's all there, AFAICT. > Is there an > option to have Mulberry use UTF-8 (or something else, such as Latin-1) > as the default instead of ASCII? Mulberry uses UTF-8 when it's necessary, i.e. if your draft contains characters outside ISO-8859-1. However, under Outgoing->Options you can tell it to always use Unicode. -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. From 1840trader at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 06:18:46 2008 From: 1840trader at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:18:46 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] sending smtp with gmail issues Message-ID: I use Gmail for my main mail server. The imap portion of the program works fine. The problem comes in when I try to use the smtp portion. According to the settings for gmail, smtp should be set up as follows: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use authentication: yes Use StartTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port 465 or 587 I have my smtp set to the following: smtp.gmail.com: 587 starttls - TLSv1 The problem is when I actually send the mail, I get the following error message back: TCP/IP: connection reset by remote host while sending 'QUIT' command to SMTP server. Account - [my SMTP account name] If I try and use SSL instead of StartTLS, I don't get the error, but it sits there and times out trying to send the message. I used to use Thunderbird and several other mail programs, and never encountered this message. (The same problem occurs if I set the port to smtp.gmail.com: 465). I did try Thunderbird after getting this message, and it seems to work fine. I have tried the message forums for Gmail, but no one seems to have an answer, and Mulberry is not one of their "supported formats". Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you From iane at sussex.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 06:56:36 2008 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:56:36 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] smtp ports In-Reply-To: <20949A70685C800338AFFBDD@[10.8.2.178]> References: <48EBB075.9050005@email.unc.edu> <20949A70685C800338AFFBDD@[10.8.2.178]> Message-ID: --On 7 October 2008 15:09:06 -0400 Dave Scocca wrote: > > Indicate the port with a colon and the port number after the server name, > e.g. in the SMTP server field enter: > > imap.unc.edu:2525 > > (or whatever the port number is). > > Dave Scocca It *should* be 587, according to . It would be nice if Mulberry defaulted to 587, and fell back to 25 if 587 weren't available. I've filed a feature request. -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 From korenman at umbc.edu Wed Oct 8 10:46:27 2008 From: korenman at umbc.edu (Joan Korenman) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:46:27 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] character encoding yet again In-Reply-To: References: <94E6BD613CD4CD62224190D8@guest-64.lobby.yahoo.com> <680e31740810071058v57425b42jf7147c62ca0a3a6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: --On Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:35 PM +0200 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Mulberry uses UTF-8 when it's necessary, i.e. if your draft contains > characters outside ISO-8859-1. However, under Outgoing->Options you can > tell it to always use Unicode. Yes, and I have that option selected. But what I'd like is to have options for dealing with **INCOMING** messages so I don't continue to see question marks instead of accented characters. When I open these messages in Pegasus or in Thunderbird, they appear as they should; only Mulberry fails to deal adequately with accented and other non-English characters. I gather from what Cyrus said that the problem lies in the failure of the sending email program to provide the proper header information, but since a number of programs apparently fail to do this and I'm not going to be able to change the world, I'd very much like Mulberry to adopt a more flexible approach similar to that used by Pegasus and Thunderbird. Joan Joan Korenman Professor Emerita of English Founder, Center for Women & Information Technology University of Maryland, Baltimore County Baltimore, MD 21250 USA korenman AT umbc.edu From Richard.Hopkins at bristol.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 09:00:19 2008 From: Richard.Hopkins at bristol.ac.uk (Richard Hopkins) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:00:19 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] sending smtp with gmail issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39F0B74EAC084C78F9771AF0@cse-rjh.cse.bris.ac.uk> --On 08 October 2008 05:18 -0500 Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: > I use Gmail for my main mail server. The imap portion of the program > works fine. The problem comes in when I try to use the smtp portion. > > According to the settings for gmail, smtp should be set up as follows: > > smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) > Use authentication: yes > Use StartTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) > Port 465 or 587 > > I have my smtp set to the following: > smtp.gmail.com: 587 > starttls - TLSv1 > > The problem is when I actually send the mail, I get the following > error message back: > > TCP/IP: connection reset by remote host while sending 'QUIT' command > to SMTP server. > > Account - [my SMTP account name] > This started happening to me a couple of weeks ago without me changing anything at my end. Despite the error messages, note that the messages *do* actually get sent (at least they do in my case). Cheers, Richard Hopkins Information Services University of Bristol From 1840trader at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 15:31:58 2008 From: 1840trader at gmail.com (1840trader at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:31:58 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] sending smtp with gmail issues In-Reply-To: <39F0B74EAC084C78F9771AF0@cse-rjh.cse.bris.ac.uk> References: <39F0B74EAC084C78F9771AF0@cse-rjh.cse.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9435DE3E55E4AFDC7C0778FF@[192.168.1.103]> Thaat's what I figured had happened, but when I pull up Thunderbird and other such apps, they have no problem sending at all. Oh well. At least I know it's not my end. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate knowing it's not just me. --On Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:00 PM +0100 Richard Hopkins wrote: > --On 08 October 2008 05:18 -0500 Steve <1840trader at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I use Gmail for my main mail server. The imap portion of the program > > works fine. The problem comes in when I try to use the smtp portion. > > > > According to the settings for gmail, smtp should be set up as follows: > > > > smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) > > Use authentication: yes > > Use StartTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) > > Port 465 or 587 > > > > I have my smtp set to the following: > > smtp.gmail.com: 587 > > starttls - TLSv1 > > > > The problem is when I actually send the mail, I get the following > > error message back: > > > > TCP/IP: connection reset by remote host while sending 'QUIT' command > > to SMTP server. > > > > Account - [my SMTP account name] > > > > This started happening to me a couple of weeks ago without me changing > anything at my end. Despite the error messages, note that the messages *do* > actually get sent (at least they do in my case). > > Cheers, > > Richard Hopkins > Information Services > University of Bristol > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Worse, there's no way to update the list in the drop down box Mulberry offers to me so I find myself using "application/octet-stream" quite often, which is annoying to recipients. I seem to recall this issue being discussed here before but all I can find in the archive is a reference to a third party program that lets you update the "registry" on MacOS. I have this recollection that the solution is simpler than that though. Is there a better solution? Am I just missing it in the archive? Does anyone know the answer off the top of their head? Thanks! Jim From ronster42 at shaw.ca Thu Oct 9 19:29:03 2008 From: ronster42 at shaw.ca (Ron Southerland) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:29:03 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --On 2008 October 9 17:14:28 -0400 James Galvin wrote: | I'm running Mulberry V4.0.8 on Mac OS 10.5.5 (Leopard). Within the past month I | have switched from Windows to Macintosh (Yeah!). | | The problem is Mulberry refuses to correctly set the MIME Content-Type on | attachments when sending messages. I always have to manual edit it. Worse, | there's no way to update the list in the drop down box Mulberry offers to me so I | find myself using "application/octet-stream" quite often, which is annoying to | recipients. | | I seem to recall this issue being discussed here before but all I can find in the | archive is a reference to a third party program that lets you update the | "registry" on MacOS. I have this recollection that the solution is simpler than | that though. | | Is there a better solution? Am I just missing it in the archive? Does anyone | know the answer off the top of their head? Precisely the same problem I've been having (OS 10.5.5 on a Macbook with Mulberry 4.0.8). It seems to have started sometime after one of the recent Leopard updates. I don't recall its being a problem when I got the Macbook back in March of this year and it definitely was/is not a problem on my PPC Macs with Tiger. Whenever I attach a jpeg to any message its mime content-type shows as 'video/x-flv'--with the exception so far of just one jpeg which is given correctly. Gifs usually show the same incorrect mime type but occasionally as something else. Encoding is almost always shown as 'automatic' but occasionally 'binary' for no apparent reason. I always manually change the mime content type over to 'image/jpg' (or 'image/gif'). But, unlike the case for receiving attachments, there seems to be no way to make Mulberry correctly set mime content types wrt outgoing attachments--unless I'm missing something here. -- Ron Southerland From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Fri Oct 10 06:33:05 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:33:05 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --On 9. Oktober 2008 17:14:28 -0400 James Galvin wrote: > I'm running Mulberry V4.0.8 on Mac OS 10.5.5 (Leopard). Within the past > month I have switched from Windows to Macintosh (Yeah!). > > The problem is Mulberry refuses to correctly set the MIME Content-Type on > attachments when sending messages. I always have to manual edit it. > Worse, there's no way to update the list in the drop down box Mulberry > offers to me so I find myself using "application/octet-stream" quite > often, which is annoying to recipients. > > I seem to recall this issue being discussed here before but all I can > find in the archive is a reference to a third party program that lets you > update the "registry" on MacOS. That's correct. > I have this recollection that the > solution is simpler than that though. I don't think so. There's more than one app, I think, but you *have* to use some app to do it. This one should do it: -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Within the > > past month I have switched from Windows to Macintosh (Yeah!). > > > > The problem is Mulberry refuses to correctly set the MIME > > Content-Type on attachments when sending messages. > > I seem to recall this issue being discussed here before but all I > > can find in the archive is a reference to a third party program > > that lets you update the "registry" on MacOS. > > That's correct. > > > I have this recollection that the > > solution is simpler than that though. > > I don't think so. There's more than one app, I think, but you *have* > to use some app to do it. This one should do it: > > I tried this and I tried the MisFox one. The RCDefaultApp crashes intermittently, although it does seem to change settings in spite of that. However, as a simple example, I used each to check the settings for a PDF document. As far as I can tell in both the settings are all correct for a PDf. However, Mulberry still refuses to set the content-type correctly and the drop down box options when I edit it manually do not include "application/pdf". I have to use "application/octet-stream". Has anyone else gotten this to work on Leopard? If so, please let me know so I'll know I've got some kind of operator error in play. Maybe I'll try one of the other "registry" editors. Otherwise I'll be suspicious of a problem with Mulberry. Thanks, Jim From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Fri Oct 10 09:36:40 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:36:40 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: <8CB09D8D65998D172F40E9A0@eList-eXpress-LLC.local> References: <8CB09D8D65998D172F40E9A0@eList-eXpress-LLC.local> Message-ID: --On 10. Oktober 2008 09:12:42 -0400 James Galvin wrote: > I tried this and I tried the MisFox one. The RCDefaultApp crashes > intermittently, FWIW, that has never happened to me. > although it does seem to change settings in spite of that. > > However, as a simple example, I used each to check the settings for a PDF > document. As far as I can tell in both the settings are all correct for > a PDf. However, Mulberry still refuses to set the content-type correctly > and the drop down box options when I edit it manually do not include > "application/pdf". I have to use "application/octet-stream". > > Has anyone else gotten this to work on Leopard? Yes. When I attach a PDF file, Mulberry automatically chooses application/pdf. -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rather, it uses the old InternetConfig API, which Launch Services has long since supplanted. IC is kept around for legacy applications. The only program I have found that can manipulate the IC database and still run on Intel Macs under Leopard is MSIE. I dug up an old copy from a previous Mac just so I'd have something that I could use to manipulate the IC database. -- Donald L. Nash, Information Technology Services, The University of Texas at Austin From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Fri Oct 10 12:58:30 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:58:30 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: <48127F9BD9ADE1292B4F09AA@xtreme.its.utexas.edu> References: <48127F9BD9ADE1292B4F09AA@xtreme.its.utexas.edu> Message-ID: -- Donald Nash is rumored to have mumbled on 10. Oktober 2008 11:27:41 -0500 regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages: > The only program I have found that can manipulate the IC database and > still run on Intel Macs under Leopard is MSIE. I dug up an old copy from > a previous Mac just so I'd have something that I could use to manipulate > the IC database. Well, that certainly sucks ... I guess my IC database is configured correctly because I've been using Mac OS forever. -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Specifically, I needed to change Mulberry's behavior (the only app I have that still uses IC), and couldn't figure out why RCDefaultApp wasn't doing the trick. Cyrus explained on the list about the IC dependency. All things considered, using IE to adjust IC isn't so bad. The native IC tools from the OS 9 days require Classic to operate, which of course isn't available on Intel hardware. The only trick is finding a copy of IE. I was lucky to still have a copy squirreled away on an old Mac. What really annoys me is the back end that Apple chose for implementing the IC database under OS X. It's a plist file, which you'd think is a good thing because usually those can be edited by hand. But all the items are expressed as hex strings, which rules out any easy sort of human interpretation. Grrr.... ++Don From mulberrymail.com at alker.net Tue Oct 14 01:46:33 2008 From: mulberrymail.com at alker.net (Ken Alker) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:46:33 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] incorrect INTERNALDATE when moving email via IMAP APPEND command in Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) Message-ID: When a message is moved from an IMAP mailbox on one server to an IMAP mailbox on another server, the Mulberry client facilitating the transaction issues an APPEND command to the receiving server. In my example case, the APPEND command issued by Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) looks like this (from Mulberry IMAPlog.txt): A00010 APPEND A-SPAM-filtered/2002 (\Seen) "31-Dec-2002 22:36:36 -0800" {6663+} But when this exact same operation is performed using Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X), the APPEND command issued looks like this: A00027 APPEND A-SPAM-filtered/2002 (\Seen) "31-Dec-2002 14:36:36 -0800" {6663+} The two versions (Win32 vs. Mac OS X) are producing different INTERNALDATEs from the same message. I believe the Win32 version to be correct and the Mac OS X version to be buggy in that the final "Received" header in the example message has the same date stamp as the INTERNALDATE being set by the Win32 version. The final Receive header in the example message is as follows: Received: from slate ([unix socket]) by slate (Cyrus v2.1.9) with LMTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:36:36 -0800 It is interesting to note that INTERNALDATE being set by the Mac OS X version is off by 8 hours (the same as the timezone offset). I am very curious why this difference exists and where in the code this is occurring. I installed XCode 3.0 on my MacBook Pro and downloaded trunk from the svn repository and have been poking around but can't figure out where in the code the INTERNALDATE is being retrieved from the IMAP server. If someone could point that out to me, it would help satisfy my curiosity. What would it take to get this added to the bug tracker? Sincerely, Ken Alker From mulberrymail.com at alker.net Tue Oct 14 01:55:32 2008 From: mulberrymail.com at alker.net (Ken Alker) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:55:32 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] enabling logging in Mulberry 4.0.8 Message-ID: <5FA22E0737480AC2585A6370@ken-alkers-macbook-pro.local> In MAC OS X to enter logging mode one has to press the alt (/option) key at any point before clicking on Preferences from the drop-down menu. It is pretty easy to do. In Windows, one must hold down the mouse button (used to drop down the menu with Preferences in it) and CONTINUE holding the mouse button while scrolling the mouse down to the Preference item in the drop-down list while holding ALT in order to get the logging menu to pop up. If you don't do this just right (at least on my computer) you can't get the logging menu to show up. Now that I know how to do it, it isn't a big deal, but I struggled with this for quite a while before figuring it out, and almost gave up, assuming it didn't work. It can be very frustrating, and I'm sure to forget the unusual/unnatural sequence the next time I have to do this. Can this be corrected in the Win32 version? Should a bug report/enhancement request be filed? Ken Alker From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Tue Oct 14 02:24:43 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:24:43 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] incorrect INTERNALDATE when moving email via IMAP APPEND command in Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A393BDCA39816980B687B7E@G5.voip.local> -- Ken Alker is rumored to have mumbled on 13. Oktober 2008 22:46:33 -0700 regarding [Mulberry-discuss] incorrect INTERNALDATE when moving email via IMAP APPEND command in Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X): > When a message is moved from an IMAP mailbox on one server to an IMAP > mailbox on another server, the Mulberry client facilitating the > transaction issues an APPEND command to the receiving server. In my > example case, the APPEND command issued by Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) looks > like this (from Mulberry IMAPlog.txt): > > A00010 APPEND A-SPAM-filtered/2002 (\Seen) "31-Dec-2002 22:36:36 -0800" > {6663+} > > But when this exact same operation is performed using Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac > OS X), the APPEND command issued looks like this: > > A00027 APPEND A-SPAM-filtered/2002 (\Seen) "31-Dec-2002 14:36:36 -0800" > {6663+} Interesting. > What would it take to get this added to the bug tracker? You can add it yourself: You need to register and login, then you can create tickets. -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081014/58a5eaf5/attachment.bin From mulberrymail.com at alker.net Tue Oct 14 02:40:33 2008 From: mulberrymail.com at alker.net (Ken Alker) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:40:33 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Zimbra bugs that should concern Mulberry users - these need more votes Message-ID: If you use Mulberry and want it to work well with Zimbra as your server, please vote on the below bug fixes (especially the first two)! In some way, all three were a result of using Mulberry with Zimbra and will help users of the Mulberry client in the long run. Ken Alker From klensin+mulberry at jck.com Tue Oct 14 06:45:16 2008 From: klensin+mulberry at jck.com (John C Klensin) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:45:16 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] enabling logging in Mulberry 4.0.8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0597167EF4A36ABCB3BC05AE@p3.int.jck.com> --On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:55:32 -0700, Ken Alker wrote: > In MAC OS X to enter logging mode one has to press the alt > (/option) key at any point before clicking on Preferences > from the drop-down menu. It is pretty easy to do. > > In Windows, one must hold down the mouse button (used to drop > down the menu with Preferences in it) and CONTINUE holding > the mouse button while scrolling the mouse down to the > Preference item in the drop-down list while holding ALT in > order to get the logging menu to pop up. If you don't do > this just right (at least on my computer) you can't get the > logging menu to show up. Now that I know how to do it, it > isn't a big deal, but I struggled with this for quite a while > before figuring it out, and almost gave up, assuming it > didn't work. It can be very frustrating, and I'm sure to > forget the unusual/unnatural sequence the next time I have to > do this. Try ignoring the mouse and typing Alt-f Alt-f. Depending on your setup, this is usually most easily by holding down Alt and then hitting f and f again. These are standard keyboard shortcuts, not unusual/unnatural/obscure at all. john From gessel at blackrosetech.com Tue Oct 14 14:52:35 2008 From: gessel at blackrosetech.com (David Gessel) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:52:35 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Received: from header Message-ID: Is it possible to control the Received: from header? I use mulberry on a number of machines and the machine identifier represents a data leak I'd like to control. Is that possible? From D.Nash at its.utexas.edu Tue Oct 14 15:07:24 2008 From: D.Nash at its.utexas.edu (Donald Nash) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:07:24 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Zimbra bugs that should concern Mulberry users - these need more votes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --On October 13, 2008 11:40:33 PM -0700 Ken Alker wrote: > If you use Mulberry and want it to work well with Zimbra as your server, > please vote on the below bug fixes > > If you want to vote for THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT, then you probably want to vote for THREAD=REFERENCES as well: -- Donald L. Nash, Information Technology Services, The University of Texas at Austin From alex at alex.org.uk Tue Oct 14 15:21:55 2008 From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:21:55 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Received: from header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6EF26776C955095CC4D0AEC4@Ximines.local> --On 14 October 2008 11:52:35 -0700 David Gessel wrote: > Is it possible to control the Received: from header? I use mulberry on a > number of machines and the machine identifier represents a data leak I'd > like to control. Is that possible? Unless I'm missing something, the (chronologically) first inserted Received: header is inserted by your SMTP smart host (not mulberry) (i.e. the machine after the word "by"). The bit after "from" will be some combination of Mulberry's EHLO string, the client's IP address, and a reverse lookup on that. So whilst you might in theory be able to control the client's EHLO string, the other's can't be avoided on the client. Assuming you are using authenticated SMTP, you might want to configure your smart host so it doesn't do this, or (for instance) inserts a public key encrypted version of the data it would otherwise insert plus the authenticated user name plus some random data/the Message ID so that if possessed of the private key you can find out where a duff or faked email came from. Alex From iane at sussex.ac.uk Wed Oct 15 06:39:27 2008 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:39:27 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Received: from header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --On 14 October 2008 11:52:35 -0700 David Gessel wrote: You mean this header:? > Received: from Gessel-D-T60.esops.com (geosign-gw-ge0-146.atrianetworks.net > [216.171.102.38]) > (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by claudel.blackrosetech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E72FE2E025 > for ; > Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Sure you can control it, if it's your mail server. The header isn't added by Mulberry, otherwise it would be a "Delivered: by" header. You don't see those in the wild. But what's the data that you're concerned about? All of it is potentially useful to system administrators trying to diagnose faults. -- Ian Eiloart IT Services, University of Sussex x3148 From shiva at sewingwitch.com Wed Oct 15 18:42:38 2008 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:42:38 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] incorrect INTERNALDATE when moving email via IMAP APPEND command in Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33DC4DBAC3D677E8CA1DEAC5@[10.170.7.6]> --On Monday, October 13, 2008 10:46 PM -0700 Ken Alker wrote: > It is interesting to note that INTERNALDATE being set by the Mac OS X > version is off by 8 hours (the same as the timezone offset). Note that Win32 tends to use local time as the system clock, while Unix uses UTC and only converts to local time on input or output. It may be that the two builds are using system time, not local time, to generate the date string. From galvin+mulberry-discuss at elistx.com Mon Oct 20 19:52:32 2008 From: galvin+mulberry-discuss at elistx.com (James Galvin) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:52:32 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: References: <48127F9BD9ADE1292B4F09AA@xtreme.its.utexas.edu> Message-ID: -- On October 10, 2008 3:00:03 PM -0500 Donald Nash wrote regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages -- > All things considered, using IE to adjust IC isn't so bad. The > native IC tools from the OS 9 days require Classic to operate, which > of course isn't available on Intel hardware. The only trick is > finding a copy of IE. I was lucky to still have a copy squirreled > away on an old Mac. Well, apparently I'm not going to be so lucky. I was able to find the following web site: But the 5.2.3 version has an invalid checksum and prior versions want "Classic" in order to run, which of course 10.5.5 does not have. This is looking like Mulberry will not run "properly" on newer versions of Mac OS. Annoying to say the least. Those of you upgrading from prior versions have had good fortune. Is there any other "new" Mac OS user that has resolved this issue? Cyrus, any chance for a new version some time in the not too distant future? Thanks, Jim From dbosso+lists.mulberry at lsit.ucsb.edu Mon Oct 20 22:46:51 2008 From: dbosso+lists.mulberry at lsit.ucsb.edu (David R Bosso) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:46:51 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages Message-ID: <8DB7272F556C8C5E2D05D588@[192.168.0.147]> --On Monday, October 20, 2008 7:52 PM -0400 James Galvin wrote: > > > -- On October 10, 2008 3:00:03 PM -0500 Donald Nash > wrote regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] setting > content-type on MacOS when sending messages -- > >> All things considered, using IE to adjust IC isn't so bad. The >> native IC tools from the OS 9 days require Classic to operate, which >> of course isn't available on Intel hardware. The only trick is >> finding a copy of IE. I was lucky to still have a copy squirreled >> away on an old Mac. > > Well, apparently I'm not going to be so lucky. I was able to find the > following web site: > > > > But the 5.2.3 version has an invalid checksum and prior versions want > "Classic" in order to run, which of course 10.5.5 does not have. > > This is looking like Mulberry will not run "properly" on newer versions > of Mac OS. Annoying to say the least. > > Those of you upgrading from prior versions have had good fortune. Is > there any other "new" Mac OS user that has resolved this issue? > > Cyrus, any chance for a new version some time in the not too distant > future? MisFox changes attachment Content-Type for me. I just attached a pdf, and mulberry correctly used application/pdf. I then opened MisFox and changed the file mapping for the .pdf setting to use application/pdff. Mulberry honored this without a restart. I haven't followed this thread extremely closely, but what exactly are people unable to do with MisFox? -David From ronster42 at shaw.ca Tue Oct 21 00:32:01 2008 From: ronster42 at shaw.ca (Ron Southerland) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:32:01 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: <8DB7272F556C8C5E2D05D588@[192.168.0.147]> References: <8DB7272F556C8C5E2D05D588@[192.168.0.147]> Message-ID: <06B4A37BBF2AC64FA36E3A79@C6FADC3C48F4DEF6B282B4E0> --On 2008 October 20 19:46:51 -0700 David R Bosso wrote: | MisFox changes attachment Content-Type for me. I just attached a pdf, and | mulberry correctly used application/pdf. I then opened MisFox and changed the | file mapping for the .pdf setting to use application/pdff. Mulberry honored this | without a restart. I haven't followed this thread extremely closely, but what | exactly are people unable to do with MisFox? | | -David MisFox works for me as well--as it has worked for a long time. But unfortunately Mulberry (4.0.8) no longer correctly sets content-type for any of my outgoing attachments. All without exception (whether .jpg, .gif or .pdf) are assigned content-type 'video/x-flv'. I can manually set the correct content-types but then have to do that again the next time I attempt to attach a file to an outgoing message since these manual changes do not persist from one Mulberry message to another. As mentioned previously, this issue did not exist for me before recent updates (currently running 10.5.5 on a MacBook with the latest Security update). All of the usual troubleshooting measures have been taken. I hope there's a way around this. -- Ron Southerland From D.Nash at its.utexas.edu Tue Oct 21 10:50:00 2008 From: D.Nash at its.utexas.edu (Donald Nash) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: <8DB7272F556C8C5E2D05D588@[192.168.0.147]> References: <8DB7272F556C8C5E2D05D588@[192.168.0.147]> Message-ID: --On October 20, 2008 7:46:51 PM -0700 David R Bosso wrote: > MisFox changes attachment Content-Type for me. Thank you! I may have once known about MisFox, but if so I had forgotten about it. And its documentation doesn't mention "Internet Config", so it didn't show up in any of my googlings. But I just tried it, and sure enough it adjusts the IC settings instead of the Launch Services settings. Excellent. -- Donald L. Nash, Information Technology Services, The University of Texas at Austin From D.Nash at its.utexas.edu Tue Oct 21 10:53:11 2008 From: D.Nash at its.utexas.edu (Donald Nash) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:53:11 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: <06B4A37BBF2AC64FA36E3A79@C6FADC3C48F4DEF6B282B4E0> References: <8DB7272F556C8C5E2D05D588@[192.168.0.147]> <06B4A37BBF2AC64FA36E3A79@C6FADC3C48F4DEF6B282B4E0> Message-ID: <81A10649D5A957D4C718A5CB@xtreme.its.utexas.edu> --On October 20, 2008 9:32:01 PM -0700 Ron Southerland wrote: > MisFox works for me as well--as it has worked for a long time. But > unfortunately Mulberry (4.0.8) no longer correctly sets content-type for > any of my outgoing attachments. All without exception (whether .jpg, .gif > or .pdf) are assigned content-type 'video/x-flv'. This sounds like a configuration problem to me. I'm running 4.0.8 as well and don't experience this. Try moving ~/Library/Preferences/Mulberry Prefs out of the way and reconfiguring Mulberry from scratch. You if you're brave you can try editing that file. It's just a text file. -- Donald L. Nash, Information Technology Services, The University of Texas at Austin From ronster42 at shaw.ca Tue Oct 21 17:09:00 2008 From: ronster42 at shaw.ca (Ron Southerland) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:09:00 -0700 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: <06B4A37BBF2AC64FA36E3A79@C6FADC3C48F4DEF6B282B4E0> References: <8DB7272F556C8C5E2D05D588@[192.168.0.147]> <06B4A37BBF2AC64FA36E3A79@C6FADC3C48F4DEF6B282B4E0> Message-ID: <13945D24D32B7CF42194091E@C6FADC3C48F4DEF6B282B4E0> --On 2008 October 20 21:32:01 -0700 Ron Southerland wrote: | MisFox works for me as well--as it has worked for a long time. But unfortunately | Mulberry (4.0.8) no longer correctly sets content-type for any of my outgoing | attachments. All without exception (whether .jpg, .gif or .pdf) are assigned | content-type 'video/x-flv'. I can manually set the correct content-types but then | have to do that again the next time I attempt to attach a file to an outgoing | message since these manual changes do not persist from one Mulberry message to | another. | | As mentioned previously, this issue did not exist for me before recent updates | (currently running 10.5.5 on a MacBook with the latest Security update). All of | the usual troubleshooting measures have been taken. I hope there's a way around | this. Following up my own post, using File Buddy I found that all of the files (.jpg, .gif and .pdf) which Mulberry was not recognizing showed incorrect TYPE/CREATOR and had no resource fork. The jpegs were all mapped to open with GraphicConverter (which is correct for me) but showed TYPE/CREATOR as '????/Opra' rather than the expected 'JPEG/GKON'. Once I changed all to 'JPEG/GKON' with File Buddy they were correctly handled by Mulberry--neither MisFox nor RCDefaultApp prefs pane was of any use in this. Analogous changes for gif and pdf files also produced correct results when attached to outgoing Mulberry messages. (One old jpeg with a resource fork and marked 'JPEG/GKON' was handled correctly by Mulberry all along.) So, there seems to be some correlation between incorrect TYPE/CREATOR and lack of a resource fork and Mulberry's not recognizing these files, whether causal or not I don't know. -- Ron Southerland From davidbo at kth.se Thu Oct 23 17:55:57 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:55:57 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Message-ID: <383ABEBBDBAE35B88DE8D062@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> I just installed Mulberry on a Debian box: $ uname -a Linux triton 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 05:24:08 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux and i have the font problem (that is, the caption/label are missing on most toolbar buttons, some dialog boxes appear without any text or buttons). In the wiki it says: > There is an issue with Mulberry 4.0.5 and 4.0.6 that will cause invisible > button titles and captions. This happens when you install mulberry to a > central location such as /usr/local/lib/mulberry/ . > > Mulberry can use all files from a central location except the Resources > directory which is always looked for in $HOME/.mulberry/Resources . I > suspect this is a bug. As a workaround, you can either copy this > directory from the central location to $HOME/.mulberry, or extract it > from the tgz archive, or even symlink $HOME/.mulberry/Resources to the > central location. however, Mulberry is installed in $HOME/bin but I don't have a ~/.mulberry/Resources, instead it looks like this $ pwd $HOME/.mulberry ~/.mulberry$ ls Address Books/ Disconnected/ Plug-ins/ Temporary_Files/ Calendars/ Mailboxes/ preferences.mbp Timezones/ Why? And how do I fix this? Furthermore, the whole Security panel in the preferences has disappeared (or is invisble). Other security related option in other views are also missing. It looks like the certificates on this machine are not stored where MB expects to find them, but rather in /etc/ssl/certs/ How can I set MB to look there? I don't have admin access to this machine, hence I am unable to make links or copy stuff outside ~/ Would really appreciate some suggestions since I have spent a lot of time looking in the wiki, the manuals etc to no avail... Ooh, and more people should try to hang out in the irc channel in my signature. I think we all would gain from that... -- Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry From davidbo at kth.se Thu Oct 23 18:24:21 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:24:21 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] setting content-type on MacOS when sending messages In-Reply-To: References: <48127F9BD9ADE1292B4F09AA@xtreme.its.utexas.edu> Message-ID: --On 2008-10-21 01.52 +0200 James Galvin wrote: > Those of you upgrading from prior versions have had good fortune. Is > there any other "new" Mac OS user that has resolved this issue? Maybe Fetch would work? From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Fri Oct 24 04:27:58 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:58 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues In-Reply-To: <383ABEBBDBAE35B88DE8D062@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> References: <383ABEBBDBAE35B88DE8D062@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> Message-ID: <959390D0536FAE599183C3C7@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> --On 23. Oktober 2008 23:55:57 +0200 david wrote: > I just installed Mulberry on a Debian box: How did you install it? > and i have the font problem (that is, the caption/label are missing on > most toolbar buttons, some dialog boxes appear without any text or > buttons). > > In the wiki it says: > >> There is an issue with Mulberry 4.0.5 and 4.0.6 that will cause invisible >> button titles and captions. This happens when you install mulberry to a >> central location such as /usr/local/lib/mulberry/ . >> >> Mulberry can use all files from a central location except the Resources >> directory which is always looked for in $HOME/.mulberry/Resources . I >> suspect this is a bug. As a workaround, you can either copy this >> directory from the central location to $HOME/.mulberry, or extract it >> from the tgz archive, or even symlink $HOME/.mulberry/Resources to the >> central location. > > however, Mulberry is installed in $HOME/bin but I don't have a > ~/.mulberry/Resources, instead it looks like this > > $ pwd > $HOME/.mulberry > ~/.mulberry$ ls > Address Books/ Disconnected/ Plug-ins/ Temporary_Files/ > Calendars/ Mailboxes/ preferences.mbp Timezones/ > > Why? And how do I fix this? The best approach for installing Mulberry under Linux is to unwrap the archive in $HOME. That way everythings ends up where it is supposed to be, with the exception of the executable (which will be in $HOME). You can then move, copy or symlink the executable to $HOME/bin, /usr/local/bin or anywhere else in your $PATH. -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081024/5c4dca94/attachment.bin From davidbo at kth.se Fri Oct 24 17:02:18 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:02:18 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Message-ID: <8356505B41E836BFB471BBD6@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> Is there something weird with your mails? When I open them I get this message: > This message does not contain any parts that Mulberry can display. > > The parts list above shows all the parts in this message, and these can > be saved to disk and viewed externally if so desired. The only way to read them is by viewing them as raw message. Then they look like this: ****************************** --==========2DE5B37D51E2D99E9453========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On 23. Oktober 2008 23:55:57 +0200 david wrote: > I just installed Mulberry on a Debian box: How did you install it? > and i have the font problem (that is, the caption/label are missing on > most toolbar buttons, some dialog boxes appear without any text or > buttons). > > In the wiki it says: > >> There is an issue with Mulberry 4.0.5 and 4.0.6 that will cause = invisible >> button titles and captions. This happens when you install mulberry to a >> central location such as /usr/local/lib/mulberry/ . >> >> Mulberry can use all files from a central location except the Resources >> directory which is always looked for in $HOME/.mulberry/Resources . I >> suspect this is a bug. As a workaround, you can either copy this >> directory from the central location to $HOME/.mulberry, or extract it >> from the tgz archive, or even symlink $HOME/.mulberry/Resources to the >> central location. > > however, Mulberry is installed in $HOME/bin but I don't have a > ~/.mulberry/Resources, instead it looks like this > > $ pwd > $HOME/.mulberry > ~/.mulberry$ ls > Address Books/ Disconnected/ Plug-ins/ Temporary_Files/ > Calendars/ Mailboxes/ preferences.mbp Timezones/ > > Why? And how do I fix this? The best approach for installing Mulberry under Linux is to unwrap the=20 archive in $HOME. That way everythings ends up where it is supposed to be,=20 with the exception of the executable (which will be in $HOME). You can then = move, copy or symlink the executable to $HOME/bin, /usr/local/bin or=20 anywhere else in your $PATH. --=20 .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb=C3=A4ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f=C3=BCr angewandte Informatik - Universit=C3=A4tsweiter Service = RRZK .:.Universit=C3=A4t zu K=C3=B6ln / Cologne University - =E2=9C=86 = +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. --==========2DE5B37D51E2D99E9453========== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkBhw4ACgkQGXsGmU0QW0UFJwCfQQhCi1etcUgEN1peyu45UqqH cIUAoJxyJ4VgKTmYVxd9BlKMilkl5QhQ =WGAC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==========2DE5B37D51E2D99E9453==========-- ****************************** and the headers ****************************** MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mx3.kth.se (130.237.48.97) by exhub02.ug.kth.se (130.237.32.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7343C6A62E for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx3.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx3.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id mXQagfQv4KwF for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out.rrz.uni-koeln.de (smtp-out.rrz.uni-koeln.de [134.95.19.53]) by mx3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB236A610 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.uni-koeln.de (lvr3.rrz.uni-koeln.de [134.95.19.43]) by smtp-out.rrz.uni-koeln.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9O8RwH5015960; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:58 +0200 Received: from tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de (tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de [134.95.128.1]) by smtp.uni-koeln.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m9O8Rwit010942; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:58 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn To: David Bonde CC: "mulberry-discuss at mulberrymail.com" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Thread-Topic: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Thread-Index: Ack1tsYYW6wqEa+gTqmaRxZ4zOcbTg== Message-ID: <959390D0536FAE599183C3C7 at tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> References: <383ABEBBDBAE35B88DE8D062 at c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> In-Reply-To: <383ABEBBDBAE35B88DE8D062 at c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> Accept-Language: sv-SE Content-Language: sv-SE X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: exhub02.ug.kth.se X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-virus-scanned: by amavisd-new x-spam-level: x-spam-flag: NO x-spam-score: -1.703 x-spam-status: No, score=-1.703 tagged_above=-200 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, SPF_PASS=-0.5] Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="==========2DE5B37D51E2D99E9453==========" This message does not contain any parts that Mulberry can display. The parts list above shows all the parts in this message, and these can be saved to disk and viewed externally if so desired. ****************************** I will comment your message in a separate mail. From davidbo at kth.se Fri Oct 24 17:02:59 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:02:59 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Message-ID: Is there something weird with your mails? When I open them I get this message: > This message does not contain any parts that Mulberry can display. > > The parts list above shows all the parts in this message, and these can > be saved to disk and viewed externally if so desired. The only way to read them is by viewing them as raw message. Then they look like this: ****************************** --==========2DE5B37D51E2D99E9453========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On 23. Oktober 2008 23:55:57 +0200 david wrote: > I just installed Mulberry on a Debian box: How did you install it? > and i have the font problem (that is, the caption/label are missing on > most toolbar buttons, some dialog boxes appear without any text or > buttons). > > In the wiki it says: > >> There is an issue with Mulberry 4.0.5 and 4.0.6 that will cause = invisible >> button titles and captions. This happens when you install mulberry to a >> central location such as /usr/local/lib/mulberry/ . >> >> Mulberry can use all files from a central location except the Resources >> directory which is always looked for in $HOME/.mulberry/Resources . I >> suspect this is a bug. As a workaround, you can either copy this >> directory from the central location to $HOME/.mulberry, or extract it >> from the tgz archive, or even symlink $HOME/.mulberry/Resources to the >> central location. > > however, Mulberry is installed in $HOME/bin but I don't have a > ~/.mulberry/Resources, instead it looks like this > > $ pwd > $HOME/.mulberry > ~/.mulberry$ ls > Address Books/ Disconnected/ Plug-ins/ Temporary_Files/ > Calendars/ Mailboxes/ preferences.mbp Timezones/ > > Why? And how do I fix this? The best approach for installing Mulberry under Linux is to unwrap the=20 archive in $HOME. That way everythings ends up where it is supposed to be,=20 with the exception of the executable (which will be in $HOME). You can then = move, copy or symlink the executable to $HOME/bin, /usr/local/bin or=20 anywhere else in your $PATH. --=20 .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb=C3=A4ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f=C3=BCr angewandte Informatik - Universit=C3=A4tsweiter Service = RRZK .:.Universit=C3=A4t zu K=C3=B6ln / Cologne University - =E2=9C=86 = +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. --==========2DE5B37D51E2D99E9453========== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkBhw4ACgkQGXsGmU0QW0UFJwCfQQhCi1etcUgEN1peyu45UqqH cIUAoJxyJ4VgKTmYVxd9BlKMilkl5QhQ =WGAC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==========2DE5B37D51E2D99E9453==========-- ****************************** and the headers ****************************** MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mx3.kth.se (130.237.48.97) by exhub02.ug.kth.se (130.237.32.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7343C6A62E for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx3.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx3.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id mXQagfQv4KwF for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out.rrz.uni-koeln.de (smtp-out.rrz.uni-koeln.de [134.95.19.53]) by mx3.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB236A610 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.uni-koeln.de (lvr3.rrz.uni-koeln.de [134.95.19.43]) by smtp-out.rrz.uni-koeln.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9O8RwH5015960; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:58 +0200 Received: from tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de (tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de [134.95.128.1]) by smtp.uni-koeln.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m9O8Rwit010942; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:58 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn To: David Bonde CC: "mulberry-discuss at mulberrymail.com" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:27:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Thread-Topic: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Thread-Index: Ack1tsYYW6wqEa+gTqmaRxZ4zOcbTg== Message-ID: <959390D0536FAE599183C3C7 at tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de> References: <383ABEBBDBAE35B88DE8D062 at c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> In-Reply-To: <383ABEBBDBAE35B88DE8D062 at c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> Accept-Language: sv-SE Content-Language: sv-SE X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: exhub02.ug.kth.se X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-virus-scanned: by amavisd-new x-spam-level: x-spam-flag: NO x-spam-score: -1.703 x-spam-status: No, score=-1.703 tagged_above=-200 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, SPF_PASS=-0.5] Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="==========2DE5B37D51E2D99E9453==========" This message does not contain any parts that Mulberry can display. The parts list above shows all the parts in this message, and these can be saved to disk and viewed externally if so desired. ****************************** I will comment your message in a separate mail. -- Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry From davidbo at kth.se Fri Oct 24 17:09:05 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:09:05 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Message-ID: <1B2B607C63DBAC9E66FC28FB@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> --On 2008-10-24 10.27 +0200 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > The best approach for installing Mulberry under Linux is to unwrap the=20 > archive in $HOME. That way everythings ends up where it is supposed to > be,=20 with the exception of the executable (which will be in $HOME). You > can then = > > move, copy or symlink the executable to $HOME/bin, /usr/local/bin or=20 > anywhere else in your $PATH. > --=20 Reinstalling solved the problem. Don't know what I did a few weeks ago when I installed it the first time. Anyway, do you know how to use Kerberos in Mulberry for Linux? There seems to be no plugin available in the default installation. And, this is not Linux specific, any way to disable the display of the subscribed mailboxes cabinet? I don't use it (what is the purpose of it when there already are Check for new mail and Autosync cabinets?) in Mulberry but need it for Squirrelmail. From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Fri Oct 24 17:18:51 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:18:51 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues In-Reply-To: <8356505B41E836BFB471BBD6@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> References: <8356505B41E836BFB471BBD6@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> Message-ID: <6B5B47E10FE1234002CC7BD3@G5.voip.local> -- david is rumored to have mumbled on 24. Oktober 2008 23:02:18 +0200 regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues: > Is there something weird with your mails? No, I think the listserv software broke it. I'm not signing this one, so it might go through unscathed. -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Fri Oct 24 17:21:40 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:21:40 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues In-Reply-To: <1B2B607C63DBAC9E66FC28FB@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> References: <1B2B607C63DBAC9E66FC28FB@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> Message-ID: <34D52B019476A76B64D4C753@G5.voip.local> -- david is rumored to have mumbled on 24. Oktober 2008 23:09:05 +0200 regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues: > Anyway, do you know how to use Kerberos in Mulberry for Linux? No. > And, this is not Linux specific, any way to disable the display of the > subscribed mailboxes cabinet? Sure, just unselect it in the Cabinet menu. It's the one with the heart in it. -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Fri Oct 24 17:26:56 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:26:56 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues In-Reply-To: <6B5B47E10FE1234002CC7BD3@G5.voip.local> References: <8356505B41E836BFB471BBD6@c80-216-95-22.bredband.comhem.se> <6B5B47E10FE1234002CC7BD3@G5.voip.local> Message-ID: -- Sebastian Hagedorn is rumored to have mumbled on 24. Oktober 2008 23:18:51 +0200 regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues: > -- david is rumored to have mumbled on 24. Oktober 2008 > 23:02:18 +0200 regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues: > >> Is there something weird with your mails? > > No, I think the listserv software broke it. Sorry, I was confused. It's not the listserv. I think it's your mailserver that broke my mail. It's from Microsoft, so what do you expect ;-) It could be the amavisd on the Postfix server as well, though. Here's the proof: MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mx3.kth.se (130.237.48.97) by exhub02.ug.kth.se (130.237.32.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:07 +0200 That MIME header is in the wrong position. It's on *top* of the Received headers! That's definitely caused by something on your end. -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 From alex at alex.org.uk Fri Oct 24 05:16:22 2008 From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:16:22 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Annoying crash on Mac OS X Message-ID: <4E674D80B2D2A39B53950CCA@host49.msm.che.vodafone> Completely reliably, if I am on a slow connection with Mulberry 4.0.8 running on OS-X, and I am reading an IMAP mailbox, pressing "n" before the current message has fully loaded causes the application to die. I had thought this might be something to do with IMSP address capture but I am now using a local address book and the same thing happens. I am using IMAP with SSLv3, DIGEST MD-5 onto a cyrus imapd server (so nothing unusual). This is 100% reliable on a GSM connection. I seem to remember this has come up before and Cyrus suggested it was reentrancy into the SSL code or something? It would be really nice if this was fixed. Would any further information help? Alex From dave at scocca.org Fri Oct 24 18:10:01 2008 From: dave at scocca.org (Dave Scocca) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:10:01 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Annoying crash on Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <4E674D80B2D2A39B53950CCA@host49.msm.che.vodafone> References: <4E674D80B2D2A39B53950CCA@host49.msm.che.vodafone> Message-ID: I can replicate this on a relatively fast connection if I hit "n" fast enough. Mulberry 4.0.8, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11. IMAP with SSL onto a Mirapoint server. Dave --On 10/24/08 10:16 AM +0100 Alex Bligh wrote: > Completely reliably, if I am on a slow connection with Mulberry 4.0.8 > running on OS-X, and I am reading an IMAP mailbox, pressing "n" before > the current message has fully loaded causes the application to die. > I had thought this might be something to do with IMSP address capture > but I am now using a local address book and the same thing happens. > > I am using IMAP with SSLv3, DIGEST MD-5 onto a cyrus imapd server (so > nothing unusual). > > This is 100% reliable on a GSM connection. > > I seem to remember this has come up before and Cyrus suggested it was > reentrancy into the SSL code or something? It would be really nice if > this was fixed. Would any further information help? > > Alex From rick at activeservice.co.uk Sat Oct 25 16:39:40 2008 From: rick at activeservice.co.uk (Rick Jones) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:39:40 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux - opening links Message-ID: I've used Mulberry since v3 on Windows, and having just converted to Linux I was really glad to discover that Mulberry is now Free :) The Linux build is a bit quirky, but I'm getting most things sorted out now. One thing still defeats me though ... Where does Mulberry look to find the browser command when a link is clicked on in a message? i've solved opening an html attachment by double-clicking, that's the entry in /etc/mailcap. But it's not using this for links. Somewhere there's a configuration for defining URL handling, but I can't work out where. Firefox is registered in Gnome as the http URL handler, but I presume Mulberry isn't consulting the Gnome configuration. This is probably more of a Linux than Mulberry thing - any hints? -- Cheers Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081025/598fdae8/attachment-0001.html From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Sat Oct 25 17:03:31 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:03:31 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux - opening links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <933BBF6F211A6E96336DFC62@MacBook-von-HG.local> Hi Rick, --On 25. Oktober 2008 21:39:40 +0100 Rick Jones wrote: > I've used Mulberry since v3 on Windows, and having just converted to > Linux I was really glad to discover that Mulberry is now Free :) > > The Linux build is a bit quirky, but I'm getting most things sorted out > now. One thing still defeats me though ... > > Where does Mulberry look to find the browser command when a link is > clicked on in a message? > > i've solved opening an html attachment by double-clicking, that's the > entry in /etc/mailcap. But it's not using this for links. Somewhere > there's a configuration for defining URL handling, but I can't work out > where. that's a FAQ: Specifically: -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081026/d835127f/attachment.html From davidbo at kth.se Sun Oct 26 05:51:49 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:51:49 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues Message-ID: --On 2008-10-24 23.21 +0200 Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Sure, just unselect it in the Cabinet menu. It's the one with the heart > in What? I have never seen any pictograms in my cabinet menu. Besides, are we talking about the same thing? Typically my mailbox and account pane looks something like this: New messages ( <- cabinet ) mbx1 mbx2 ? mbxN Account 1 Inbox Some folder mbxA mbxB Account 2 Inbox Some folder mbxA mbxB However, since I occaissionally, for account 2, started to use Squirremail that requires me to subscribe to mailboxes the account2 hierarchy looks like this: Account 2 Inbox Subscribed subscribed mbx1 subscribed mbx2 Some folder mbxA mbxB The Subscribed folder has no physical counterpart 'on disk' (this account is slightly odd setup, the Inbox is stored on the IMAP-server while everything else is stored in ~/mail.) > Sorry, I was confused. It's not the listserv. I think it's your > mailserver that broke my mail. It's from Microsoft, so what do you > expect ;-) It could be the amavisd on the Postfix server as well, though. Yes I know. They changed from a fully functional Cyrus IMAPD, Sieve setup to Exchange:-( And this is on a high prestige technical university. > Here's the proof: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from mx3.kth.se (130.237.48.97) by exhub02.ug.kth.se > (130.237.32.80) > with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:07 +0200 > > That MIME header is in the wrong position. It's on *top* of the Received > headers! That's definitely caused by something on your end. I am not sure I am following you here. Of course the header comes before the body, I just pasted it in a different order in my message. Can you rephrase your explanation so I can forward it to our admins to add up to my complaints with out new 'unified message and communication soloution'? From davidbo at kth.se Sun Oct 26 07:22:28 2008 From: davidbo at kth.se (david) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:22:28 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Certificate Message-ID: I try to import the certificate available at but Mulberry complains that it is invalid. Is this really true? Why does MB not have this certificate installed by default? And/or does not Mulberry use the certificates in Mac OS X's Keychain? -- Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Sun Oct 26 09:14:38 2008 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:14:38 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Linux issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <388D7CC76EE256D14AB319E2@MacBook-von-HG.local> --On 26. Oktober 2008 11:51:49 +0200 david wrote: > --On 2008-10-24 23.21 +0200 Sebastian Hagedorn > wrote: > >> Sure, just unselect it in the Cabinet menu. It's the one with the heart >> in > > What? I have never seen any pictograms in my cabinet menu. Besides, are > we talking about the same thing? > > Typically my mailbox and account pane I don't use panes, I use the "separate windows" mode (Window -> Layout). Sorry, don't know the other one. >> Here's the proof: >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Received: from mx3.kth.se (130.237.48.97) by exhub02.ug.kth.se >> (130.237.32.80) >> with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:59:07 +0200 >> >> That MIME header is in the wrong position. It's on *top* of the Received >> headers! That's definitely caused by something on your end. > > I am not sure I am following you here. Of course the header comes before > the body, That's not what I mean. In the header, the first lines are normally Received headers. After that there are headers like these: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the quote above, the line "MIME-Version: 1.0" appears *first*. I think that's invalid, causing Mulberry to be unable to do proper MIME parsing of the parts. I don't have the time to check the RFCs right now, so I could be wrong, but something is definitely mucking with the headers. > I just pasted it in a different order in my message. But you didn't reorder the header lines themselves, did you? > Can you > rephrase your explanation so I can forward it to our admins to add up to > my complaints with out new 'unified message and communication soloution'? See above. Some mail programs do MIME parsing even if the headers are broken, but Mulberry is picky. That might explain why they haven't noticed any problems with other programs (assuming this wasn't an isolated case). -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587.:. .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:. From 1840trader at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 04:47:37 2008 From: 1840trader at gmail.com (1840trader at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:47:37 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Configuration question? Message-ID: <0D6F3FC6E8DBF99EEC0D8CFA@[192.168.1.103]> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 My basic setup is 3 IMAP mailboxes and 1 POP mailbox. The three IMAP boxes are through Gmail and the POP is through a different server. I also use the latest version of PGP (as well as the PGP plug-in). I have three questions that are probably configuration related, but any help would be appreciated. PGP is currently configured to process all email accounts and sign all emails by default. It is also set to automatically decrypt any incoming messages. The PGP portion of this seems to work fine, except for one problem (see Question 1). Question #1 When I start up Mulberry and it processes my main account (also happens to be listed first), it always comes up with asking if PGP should secure this account. Now I understand that since it is an IMAP mailbox, there are several different servers that Gmail is using for mail, so it needs to be ready for all the servers. I have to tell it which PGP key every time I start up Mulberry, even if I just started it up, sent an email, shut it down and then reopen Mulberry (same Windows session) 5 minutes later to send another email. If I stay in Mulberry, it's fine and never asks me again. It doesn't matter whether I have the pass phrases cached or not (default is Not to cache until I send an email, then it asks me every time). Question #2 Using the same IMAP mailboxes, whenever I decide a message is spam and try to move it over to my spam box on the Gmail server, Mulberry deletes all the messages in my in-box, whether I have read them or not. I finally got the setting to allow me to open the messages, but if I want to move a message to spam, I have to move all my other messages to another box, move the junk mail to the spam folder, then move everything back to the original in-box. If I just delete and expunge any messages, it works great and I have no problems. Like I stated above, this may be a configuration issue for me, but I would appreciate any suggestions someone might have. Question #3 When sending email from this computer, most of the time it goes through without a problem. Occasionally, however, it hangs and never sends the email, even though it disappears from my screen and says it sent. A couple of days later, I'll go on and send another email, then all of a sudden all the previous emails also send. Almost as if they went into a waiting queue, even though I send them immediately after writing. 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URL: http://lists.mulberrymail.com/pipermail/mulberry-discuss/attachments/20081031/71184101/attachment-0001.html From steve.roylance at globalsign.com Fri Oct 31 10:23:09 2008 From: steve.roylance at globalsign.com (Steve Roylance) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:23:09 -0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <036301c93b64$46841740$d38c45c0$@roylance@globalsign.com> David, The GlobalSign Root Certificates are located here:- http://secure.globalsign.net/cacert/xxx from the choice below Root-R1.cacert Root-R1.crt Root-R1.der Root-R1.pem Root-R2.cacert Root-R2.crt Root-R2.der Root-R2.pem Root.cacert Root.crt Root.der Root.pem Root is our most ubiquitous root which expires in 2014 and seems to be inside Mulberry by default on Windows (I'm checking MAC OS later however we are in the base MAC OS so there should be no major issues) Root-R1 is the same key material extended until 2028 expiry Root-R2 is our new root created in 2006 which is being seeded. The cert that you point to is the GTE CyberTrust root and is located there due to the previous relationship between GlobalSign and CyberTrust. I'll be posting to the list a question on updating the root store now. Kind Regards, Steve Roylance Business Development Director ? GlobalSign Ltd, Springfield House, Sandling Road, Maidstone, Kent, ME14 2LP, UK. Tel: +44 1622 766766? Fax: +44 1622 662255 Company Registration No. 04705639.? Registered in England & Wales. -----Original Message----- From: mulberry-discuss-bounces at lists.mulberrymail.com [mailto:mulberry-discuss-bounces at lists.mulberrymail.com] On Behalf Of david Sent: 26 October 2008 11:22 To: mulberry-discuss at mulberrymail.com Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Certificate I try to import the certificate available at but Mulberry complains that it is invalid. Is this really true? Why does MB not have this certificate installed by default? And/or does not Mulberry use the certificates in Mac OS X's Keychain? -- Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry From steve.roylance at globalsign.com Fri Oct 31 10:58:10 2008 From: steve.roylance at globalsign.com (Steve Roylance) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:58:10 -0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Root store questions. Message-ID: <039801c93b69$2b8dd4d0$82a97e70$@roylance@globalsign.com> (RESEND as previous mails might have been blocked as I added a screen grab) Dear list, I?m glad to see that the GlobalSign root CA is operational in 4.0.8, however I would like to establish when the root was first made available inside Mulberry?? Was it on the release of S/MIME support back in 2003 or with the S/MIME plug-in???? Also I?d like to know how we update the root store as we?ve got two roots now, one new one and one which is a reworked version of the 2014 expiry root highlighted below. Thanks for some feedback and contact details of who can help me. Kind Regards, Steve Roylance Business Development Director GlobalSign Ltd, Springfield House, Sandling Road, Maidstone, Kent, ME14 2LP, UK. Tel: +44 1622 766766? Fax: +44 1622 662255 Company Registration No. 04705639.? Registered in England & Wales. From daboo at mulberrymail.com Fri Oct 31 11:23:00 2008 From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:23:00 -0400 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Root store questions. In-Reply-To: <039801c93b69$2b8dd4d0$82a97e70$@roylance@globalsign.com> References: <039801c93b69$2b8dd4d0$82a97e70$@roylance@globalsign.com> Message-ID: <07F2A14F921B5771367C9CCE@caldav.corp.apple.com> Hi Steve, --On October 31, 2008 2:58:10 PM +0000 Steve Roylance wrote: > I?m glad to see that the GlobalSign root CA is operational in 4.0.8, > however I would like to establish when the root was first made available > inside Mulberry?? Was it on the release of S/MIME support back in 2003 > or with the S/MIME plug-in???? Root certificates were originally added with SSL support - which was before S/MIME. > Also I?d like to know how we update the root store as we?ve got two > roots now, one new one and one which is a reworked version of the 2014 > expiry root highlighted below. Mulberry maintains its own root certificate store (though on Linux it also reads the default openssl root directory). The actual root certificates for Mac/Win are stored on the subversion server as part of the source, but they are included in the installer/packaging section as they get built-in to the installer packages. The root certificates are stored in a CACerts directory inside the Plug-ins directory. Also, users can import their own roots via the Manage Certificates option in the Security preferences panel. The imported ones are stored in the Certificates/Authority directory in the user's own Mulberry documents directory. -- Cyrus Daboo