From mul286 at pobox.com  Thu Feb 12 16:45:41 2009
From: mul286 at pobox.com (Duncan)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:45:41 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
Message-ID: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>

Is there a status update on any further development of Mulberry?

Any insights gratefully appreciated.

Regards,
Duncan.

From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Fri Feb 13 04:34:17 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
Message-ID: <7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:45 PM +0000 Duncan <mul286 at pobox.com> 
wrote:

> Is there a status update on any further development of Mulberry?
>
> Any insights gratefully appreciated.

I believe Cyrus is working on new calendar features targeted primarily at 
Mac. I've done some bug-fixing in the Windows build.



From alex at alex.org.uk  Fri Feb 13 08:31:21 2009
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:31:21 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
Message-ID: <2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>



--On 13 February 2009 01:34:17 -0800 Kenneth Porter <shiva at sewingwitch.com> 
wrote:

>> Is there a status update on any further development of Mulberry?
>>
>> Any insights gratefully appreciated.
>
> I believe Cyrus is working on new calendar features targeted primarily at
> Mac. I've done some bug-fixing in the Windows build.

A maintenance release would be lovely. Particularly if it fixes this:
 http://trac.mulberrymail.com/mulberry/ticket/293
Or the bug where pressing "n" fast to get between messages on an SSL
server kills the application (discussed here, something to do with
reentrancy of the SSL library though I am not quite sure why).

Alex

From di at fh-wedel.de  Fri Feb 13 09:09:31 2009
From: di at fh-wedel.de (Martin Dietze)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:09:31 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>

On Fri, February 13, 2009, Alex Bligh wrote:

>> I believe Cyrus is working on new calendar features targeted primarily at
>> Mac. I've done some bug-fixing in the Windows build.

These calendar features would be greatly appreciated for other
platforms, too. I myself have been unable to access our CalDAV
server at work with my Linux version of Mulberry for ages...

Cheers,

Martin

-- 
----------- / http://herbert.the-little-red-haired-girl.org / -------------
=+= 
I am not in a hurry. I prefer to cross the town.

From di at fh-wedel.de  Fri Feb 13 09:09:31 2009
From: di at fh-wedel.de (Martin Dietze)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:09:31 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>

On Fri, February 13, 2009, Alex Bligh wrote:

>> I believe Cyrus is working on new calendar features targeted primarily at
>> Mac. I've done some bug-fixing in the Windows build.

These calendar features would be greatly appreciated for other
platforms, too. I myself have been unable to access our CalDAV
server at work with my Linux version of Mulberry for ages...

Cheers,

Martin

-- 
----------- / http://herbert.the-little-red-haired-girl.org / -------------
=+= 
I am not in a hurry. I prefer to cross the town.

From pwilson at apnic.net  Fri Feb 13 09:32:56 2009
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:32:56 +1000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
Message-ID: <0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>

And while we're on feature/upgrade requests,
Mulberry needs IPv6 support as well.

Thanks.



--On 13 February 2009 3:09:31 PM +0100 Martin Dietze <di at fh-wedel.de> wrote:

> On Fri, February 13, 2009, Alex Bligh wrote:
>
>>> I believe Cyrus is working on new calendar features targeted primarily
>>> at Mac. I've done some bug-fixing in the Windows build.
>
> These calendar features would be greatly appreciated for other
> platforms, too. I myself have been unable to access our CalDAV
> server at work with my Linux version of Mulberry for ages...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin
>
> --
> ----------- / http://herbert.the-little-red-haired-girl.org /
> ------------- =+=
> I am not in a hurry. I prefer to cross the town.



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From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Fri Feb 13 12:31:03 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:31:03 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <0BB4597C7A8C1EFEEEBFACFD@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Friday, February 13, 2009 1:31 PM +0000 Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk> 
wrote:

> A maintenance release would be lovely. Particularly if it fixes this:
>  http://trac.mulberrymail.com/mulberry/ticket/293
> Or the bug where pressing "n" fast to get between messages on an SSL
> server kills the application (discussed here, something to do with
> reentrancy of the SSL library though I am not quite sure why).

Those look like they might be Mac-only issues. I'm not seeing them in 
Windows.



From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Fri Feb 13 12:32:43 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:32:43 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
Message-ID: <49767C601FFDE7D2699849D2@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:32 AM +1000 Paul Wilson 
<pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:

> And while we're on feature/upgrade requests,
> Mulberry needs IPv6 support as well.

I wish ISPs would start offering IPv6. Even Speakeasy seems to have 
deployment in limbo.



From phalenor at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 12:39:00 2009
From: phalenor at gmail.com (Andrew Cobaugh)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <49767C601FFDE7D2699849D2@10.0.0.199>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@10.0.0.199>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
	<49767C601FFDE7D2699849D2@10.0.0.199>
Message-ID: <1b8d56200902130939v1616511bxc1d2cfc436b3e911@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Kenneth Porter <shiva at sewingwitch.com> wrote:
> --On Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:32 AM +1000 Paul Wilson
> <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:
>
>> And while we're on feature/upgrade requests,
>> Mulberry needs IPv6 support as well.
>
> I wish ISPs would start offering IPv6. Even Speakeasy seems to have
> deployment in limbo.

Many of us are simply doing ipv6 tunneling. I know a lot of the
wireless routers that apple sells can and will do this out of the box.
This isn't ideal, as it adds extra hops and therefore extra latency,
but it's better than waiting for your isp to start offering native v6.

I'm also fortunate in that the university I work for has IPv6
connectivity, and I've v6 enabled all of my services on the network I
run, including everything having to do with mail. About 90% of the
time when I access imap remotely, it's over ipv6.

--andy

From alex at alex.org.uk  Fri Feb 13 12:53:01 2009
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:53:01 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <0BB4597C7A8C1EFEEEBFACFD@[10.0.0.199]>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<0BB4597C7A8C1EFEEEBFACFD@[10.0.0.199]>
Message-ID: <C7FEA19BCC04984658A1E71B@Ximines.local>



--On 13 February 2009 09:31:03 -0800 Kenneth Porter <shiva at sewingwitch.com> 
wrote:

>> A maintenance release would be lovely. Particularly if it fixes this:
>>  http://trac.mulberrymail.com/mulberry/ticket/293
>> Or the bug where pressing "n" fast to get between messages on an SSL
>> server kills the application (discussed here, something to do with
>> reentrancy of the SSL library though I am not quite sure why).
>
> Those look like they might be Mac-only issues. I'm not seeing them in
> Windows.

The first is a Mac only issue.

I /thought/ I remembered the second could be triggered on Windows
(the bug's been there a while and I used to use windows), but it
I might be wrong and it is (at least) 100 times easier to trigger
on the Mac.

I've appended a message below which is the closest I got to an
analysis.

Alex




Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:53:02 +0200
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de>
To: Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk>
cc: mulberry-discuss at mulberrymail.com, mulberry-dev at mulberrymail.com
Subject: Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry 4.0.8 on the Mac repeatable crash
Message-ID: <4758A2BBBAA7F12531D38D3A at tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi,

this reply is probably too technical for mulberry-discuss, but since the 
discussion started there ... follow-ups should probably only go to 
mulberry-dev.

--On 21. Oktober 2007 17:24:57 +0100 Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk> wrote:

> If one advances through an IMAP folder on Mac Mulberry 4.0.8 too fast
> for the server to keep up with, Mulberry exits prematurely.
>
> To repeat, load up a large IMAP folder, open one message in it, set
> key repeat rate to maximum, and hold down "N" for next message. Mulberry
> will disappear.

I just tried to debug this. Observations:

- for me Mulberry doesn't just disappear. First it shows a dialog that 
states "A problem occurred while decoding the information sent from the 
server. The operation has been cancelled."

That message is displayed by the CINETClient::INETDisplayError method, 
which is called by the CINETClient::INETHandleError method. The relevant 
code is this:

	if (!recovered)
	{
		// Recovery is not possible, so...

		// Display alert to user
		INETDisplayError(ex, err_id, nobad_id);
		
		// Error has been reported once so don't let it happen
		// again during the current recovery process
		StValueChanger<bool> value(mSilentError, true);

		// At the moment force the server closed by killing the connection if one 
present
		if (mStream && (mStream->TCPGetState() >= CTCPSocket::TCPConnected))
			mStream->TCPAbort();

		// Force servers to closed state
		if (failed_recovery || !mOwner || mOwner->IsOpen() || 
mOwner->IsLoggedOn())
		{
			// Force disconnect cleanup
			if (mOwner)
				mOwner->SetState(CINETProtocol::eINETNotOpen);
			INETRecoverDisconnect();

			// Flag exception as diconnected
			if (nex)
				nex->setdisconnect();
		}
	}

I will try to set a breakpoint there.

- In my tests Mulberry did not *always* crash. The first crash I observed 
ended in the SSL libs:

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000020
Thread 0 Crashed:
0   libssl.0.9.7.dylib
0x9505fac0 SSL_read + 24
1   com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x00330fe8 CTLSSocket::TLSReceiveData(char*, long*) + 88 (CTLSSocket.cp:455)
2   com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x00331fa4 CTCPStreamBuf::underflow() + 84 (CTCPStream.cp:380)
3   libstdc++.6.dylib
0x94c78ab0 std::basic_streambuf<char, std::char_traits<char> >::uflow() + 40
4   com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x00332078 CTCPStream::qgetline(char*, int) + 160 (CTCPStream.cp:85)
5   com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x00332820 CINETClient::INETGetLine() + 92 (CINETClient.cp:1548)
6   com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x00335b54 CINETClient::INETProcess() + 84 (CINETClient.cp:1602)
7   com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x00332a6c CINETClient::INETSendString(char const*, int, bool) + 116 
(CINETClient.cp:1701)
8   com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x00332c50 CINETClient::INETFinishSend(bool) + 104 (CINETClient.cp:1752)
9   com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x003429f0 CIMAPClient::_ReadAttachment(unsigned long, char const*, 
LStream*, bool, unsigned long, unsigned long) + 1496 (cdstring.h:518)
10  com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x0033bfdc CIMAPClient::_ReadAttachment(unsigned long, CAttachment*, 
LStream*, bool, unsigned long, unsigned long) + 144 (cdstring.h:518)
11  com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x002845f0 CMboxProtocol::ReadAttachment(CMbox*, unsigned long, 
CAttachment*, LStream*, bool, unsigned long, unsigned long) + 200 
(CMboxProtocol.cp:2577)
12  com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x002d196c CAttachment::ReadAttachment(CMessage*, bool, bool) + 268 
(CAttachment.cp:1700)
13  com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x002b1fa4 CMessage::ReadAttachment(CAttachment*, bool, bool) + 60 
(CMessage.cp:1075)
14  com.mulberrymail.mulberry
0x002b26b8 CMessage::ReadPart(CAttachment*, bool) + 152 (CMessage.cp:1056)
...
(there were 128 entries in the stack chain!)

So I tried a non-SSL account and found that sometimes the mailbox would 
close after the alert, but the app would not crash. The one crash I did 
observe without SSL was in a decryption routine for S/MIME or PGP (not sure 
which).

Based on my observations I think that the connection to the server is 
dropped, but that some parts of the app are still trying to use the 
now-dropped connection. Maybe it's a race. The long stack trace got me to 
think that perhaps the "next message" requests were buffered. Let's say 
there are 20 requests buffered. While trying to read message 15 there is a 
hiccup and the connection is closed. If the buffer isn't cleared at that 
point, bad things might happen.

All this is admittedly idle speculation by a wizard's apprentice. I know 
enough about programming to shoot myself in the foot, but not enough to 
*really* debug a problem like this one. I write this in the hope that it 
might help an actual wizard to see what's going on.
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
Zentrum f?r angewandte Informatik - Universit?tsweiter Service RRZK
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.
                   .:.:.:.Skype: shagedorn.:.:.:.




From pwilson at apnic.net  Fri Feb 13 19:16:22 2009
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:16:22 +1000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Disable the "signature verified" popup?
Message-ID: <9A81B14F1EA2E43933887C7E@wav4.apnic.net>

Does anyone know if I can disable the popup which tells me

"Signature verified as good"

whenever i open a signed message?

I get a lot of signed mails these days, and I really don't need the extra 
clicks.  I get to see the signature status in green when the message window 
opens anyway, and that's quite enough for me.

Thanks

Paul

From daboo at mulberrymail.com  Fri Feb 13 20:34:03 2009
From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:34:03 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Disable the "signature verified" popup?
In-Reply-To: <9A81B14F1EA2E43933887C7E@wav4.apnic.net>
References: <9A81B14F1EA2E43933887C7E@wav4.apnic.net>
Message-ID: <F599557547D3FC69FB5B333B@socrates.local>

Hi Paul,

--On February 14, 2009 10:16:22 AM +1000 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> 
wrote:

> Does anyone know if I can disable the popup which tells me
>
> "Signature verified as good"
>
> whenever i open a signed message?
>
> I get a lot of signed mails these days, and I really don't need the extra
> clicks.  I get to see the signature status in green when the message
> window opens anyway, and that's quite enough for me.

Preferences/Security. Turn off all the options in the notification section 
at the bottom.

-- 
Cyrus Daboo


From btw1 at columbia.edu  Sun Feb 15 11:04:22 2009
From: btw1 at columbia.edu (B. Timothy Walsh)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] how to make Mulberry the default Email?
Message-ID: <4C4A309DDE975C532F619F6C@[192.168.1.5]>

I've used Mulberry for yrs, currently on WinXP Pro. Recently, perhaps due 
to an automatic upgrade?, MS Outlook became my default Email program, and I 
cannot figure out how to get it reset to Mulberry. Mulberry does not come 
up as an option in Control Panel -> Internet Options -> Programs -> Email.
Couldn't find it in the manual....
Thanks for any suggestions.
Tim

From polish at dtgroup.com  Sun Feb 15 21:58:25 2009
From: polish at dtgroup.com (Nathaniel Polish)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] CalDav
Message-ID: <D345C9E27383E44805275311@MORNINGSIDE>

I am trying to set up to use Mulberry as my primary calendar.  I run it on 
Windows and Linux.  Is DaviCal the preferred server to use?  If not then 
what is?  I generally run ubuntu and debian as a server environment.  Are 
people actively using the calendar features of Mulberry at this point?

Thanks

Nat


From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Mon Feb 16 15:41:06 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:06 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] how to make Mulberry the default Email?
In-Reply-To: <4C4A309DDE975C532F619F6C@[192.168.1.5]>
References: <4C4A309DDE975C532F619F6C@[192.168.1.5]>
Message-ID: <42C4C7903B84F75990A233CB@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:04 AM -0500 "B. Timothy Walsh" 
<btw1 at columbia.edu> wrote:

> I've used Mulberry for yrs, currently on WinXP Pro. Recently, perhaps due
> to an automatic upgrade?, MS Outlook became my default Email program, and
> I cannot figure out how to get it reset to Mulberry. Mulberry does not
> come up as an option in Control Panel -> Internet Options -> Programs ->
> Email.
> Couldn't find it in the manual....
> Thanks for any suggestions.

There's probably a setting somewhere but I find it's easier just to check 
the registry. Look here:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Cyrusoft International, 
Inc.\Mulberry\Preferences

Look for the value named "Check Default Mail Client" and change it from 
false to true.

I've patched my copy to use the per-user registry hive under 
HKEY_CURRENT_USER instead of the machine-wide HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, as under 
Vista it can use the per-user hive to store that setting and doesn't need 
Administrator privilege to change that.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cyrusoft International, Inc.\Mulberry\Preferences

From btw1 at columbia.edu  Mon Feb 16 21:15:56 2009
From: btw1 at columbia.edu (B. Timothy Walsh)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:15:56 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] how to make Mulberry the default Email?
In-Reply-To: <42C4C7903B84F75990A233CB@[10.0.0.199]>
References: <4C4A309DDE975C532F619F6C@[192.168.1.5]>
	<42C4C7903B84F75990A233CB@[10.0.0.199]>
Message-ID: <62C3833D4F4877A6D68DDB6E@[192.168.1.5]>

That seems to have worked...many thanks for the quick help!/Tim

--On Monday, February 16, 2009 12:41 PM -0800 Kenneth Porter 
<shiva at sewingwitch.com> wrote:

> --On Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:04 AM -0500 "B. Timothy Walsh"
> <btw1 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>> I've used Mulberry for yrs, currently on WinXP Pro. Recently, perhaps due
>> to an automatic upgrade?, MS Outlook became my default Email program, and
>> I cannot figure out how to get it reset to Mulberry. Mulberry does not
>> come up as an option in Control Panel -> Internet Options -> Programs ->
>> Email.
>> Couldn't find it in the manual....
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> There's probably a setting somewhere but I find it's easier just to check
> the registry. Look here:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Cyrusoft International,
> Inc.\Mulberry\Preferences
>
> Look for the value named "Check Default Mail Client" and change it from
> false to true.
>
> I've patched my copy to use the per-user registry hive under
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER instead of the machine-wide HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, as
> under Vista it can use the per-user hive to store that setting and
> doesn't need Administrator privilege to change that.
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cyrusoft International,
> Inc.\Mulberry\Preferences
>





From davidbo at kth.se  Tue Feb 17 15:41:32 2009
From: davidbo at kth.se (david)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:41:32 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
Message-ID: <F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>

--On 2009-02-13 15.32 +0100 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:

> And while we're on feature/upgrade requests,
> Mulberry needs IPv6 support as well.

When is this useful in 'real world' applications?


-- 
Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel

irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry

From phalenor at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 17:22:53 2009
From: phalenor at gmail.com (Andrew Cobaugh)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@10.0.0.199>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
	<F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
Message-ID: <1b8d56200902171422r2eef2ed8v43abc75d89028f73@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM, david <davidbo at kth.se> wrote:
> --On 2009-02-13 15.32 +0100 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:
>
>> And while we're on feature/upgrade requests,
>> Mulberry needs IPv6 support as well.
>
> When is this useful in 'real world' applications?

Do you live in a world that isn't running out of IPv4 addresses then?

It's going to be rather amusing to watch every program out there that
doesn't do v6 slowly go unused over the next few years.

--andy

From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Wed Feb 18 00:45:32 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:45:32 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
	<F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
Message-ID: <57B8F037A7620E426A23E6DB@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:41 PM +0100 david <davidbo at kth.se> wrote:

>> And while we're on feature/upgrade requests,
>> Mulberry needs IPv6 support as well.
>
> When is this useful in 'real world' applications?

Adoption outside the US is far more rapid than in the US. I believe Japan 
is largely IPv6-capable, as Japan's allotment of IPv4 address space is used 
up.



From davidbo at kth.se  Tue Feb 17 18:03:03 2009
From: davidbo at kth.se (david)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:03:03 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <1b8d56200902171422r2eef2ed8v43abc75d89028f73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@10.0.0.199>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
	<F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
	<1b8d56200902171422r2eef2ed8v43abc75d89028f73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1841AD016504FFB4FFF7367B@localhost>

--On 2009-02-17 23.22 +0100 Andrew Cobaugh <phalenor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you live in a world that isn't running out of IPv4 addresses then?

I live in a world where we for the last ten years have been critically low 
on IPv4-addresses. I am not sure it is critical this time either.

Just curious, who uses, and for what, IP6 for real world applications?


-- 
Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel

irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry

From davidbo at kth.se  Thu Feb 19 02:33:16 2009
From: davidbo at kth.se (david)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:33:16 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry development?
In-Reply-To: <57B8F037A7620E426A23E6DB@[10.0.0.199]>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
	<F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
	<57B8F037A7620E426A23E6DB@[10.0.0.199]>
Message-ID: <2FFB85652B7979FE80A1300A@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>

--On 2009-02-18 06.45 +0100 Kenneth Porter <shiva at sewingwitch.com> wrote:

> Adoption outside the US is far more rapid than in the US. I believe Japan
> is largely IPv6-capable, as Japan's allotment of IPv4 address space is
> used  up.

I am outside the US.


-- 
Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel

irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry

From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Thu Feb 19 13:48:32 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:48:32 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <57B8F037A7620E426A23E6DB@[10.0.0.199]>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
	<F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
	<57B8F037A7620E426A23E6DB@[10.0.0.199]>
Message-ID: <16AD2E8FA621001C159DF861@[10.0.0.199]>

I was mistaken. The hype is overblown and deployment is much less than I 
thought:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_deployment>

<http://www.circleid.com/posts/81166_actual_state_ipv6_deployment/>

<http://bgp.he.net/ipv6-progress-report.cgi>

From pwilson at apnic.net  Thu Feb 19 18:04:51 2009
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:04:51 +1000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <16AD2E8FA621001C159DF861@[10.0.0.199]>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
	<F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
	<57B8F037A7620E426A23E6DB@[10.0.0.199]>
	<16AD2E8FA621001C159DF861@[10.0.0.199]>
Message-ID: <D29B7B6F7D318AE6AF2A6090@dynamic142.apnic.net>

Deployment of IPv6 has been slow but it is accelerating now, as there is 
only a 2-year supply (more or less) of IPv4 addresses remaining.  This is 
now in the planning horizon of the industry, and we are seeing serious 
movement for the first time.

A lot of testing is being done now on hardware and software, and lists are 
being developed of products which do and don't support IPv6.  I'm afraid 
that if Mulberry gets onto the blacklists, it will lose more ground to the 
standard mailers which already do (outlook, mac mail etc), and that will be 
hard to regain.

So, I'd urge IPv6 support, sooner rather than later!

Paul.


--On 19 February 2009 10:48:32 AM -0800 Kenneth Porter 
<shiva at sewingwitch.com> wrote:

> I was mistaken. The hype is overblown and deployment is much less than I
> thought:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_deployment>
>
> <http://www.circleid.com/posts/81166_actual_state_ipv6_deployment/>
>
> <http://bgp.he.net/ipv6-progress-report.cgi>



________________________________________________________________________
Come to APNIC 27!  Manila, 24-27 Feb 2009  http://www.apnic.net/meetings
________________________________________________________________________
Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC                      <dg at apnic.net>
http://www.apnic.net                            ph/fx +61 7 3858 3100/99


From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Fri Feb 20 09:21:06 2009
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:21:06 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <D29B7B6F7D318AE6AF2A6090@dynamic142.apnic.net>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>
	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>
	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>
	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>
	<F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
	<57B8F037A7620E426A23E6DB@[10.0.0.199]>
	<16AD2E8FA621001C159DF861@[10.0.0.199]>
	<D29B7B6F7D318AE6AF2A6090@dynamic142.apnic.net>
Message-ID: <3501657C33BCC8FDD1B9AE61@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On 20 February 2009 09:04:51 +1000 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:

> Deployment of IPv6 has been slow but it is accelerating now, as there is
> only a 2-year supply (more or less) of IPv4 addresses remaining.  This is
> now in the planning horizon of the industry, and we are seeing serious
> movement for the first time.
>
> A lot of testing is being done now on hardware and software, and lists
> are being developed of products which do and don't support IPv6.  I'm
> afraid that if Mulberry gets onto the blacklists, it will lose more
> ground to the standard mailers which already do (outlook, mac mail etc),
> and that will be hard to regain.
>
> So, I'd urge IPv6 support, sooner rather than later!
>

Yes, the question is not how much IPv6 space is used, but how much IPv4 
space is left.


-- 
Ian Eiloart
IT Services, University of Sussex
x3148

From joel at columbia.edu  Fri Feb 20 09:36:17 2009
From: joel at columbia.edu (Joel Rosenblatt)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <3501657C33BCC8FDD1B9AE61@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <6E62503B4629282BF0CA6824@dahmbp.local>	<7DA9155E8905ED7BF29C9F81@[10.0.0.199]>	<2DF2C01BF7D53E41BA231C6D@Ximines.local>
	<20090213140931.GD22188@fh-wedel.de>	<0CB5679BD7A10929E0054A71@wav4.apnic.net>	<F0ED8D6EEA6B50649849A0B7@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
	<57B8F037A7620E426A23E6DB@[10.0.0.199]>	<16AD2E8FA621001C159DF861@[10.0.0.199]>	<D29B7B6F7D318AE6AF2A6090@dynamic142.apnic.net>
	<3501657C33BCC8FDD1B9AE61@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3575B4F8CDB6D09903199419@[192.168.1.108]>

The current estimate is 2011 - if you want some details on this and other IPv6 discussion, see

http://tinyurl.com/7q8kbw

Thanks,
Joel Rosenblatt

Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security
Columbia Information Security Office (CISO)
Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033
http://www.columbia.edu/~joel


--On Friday, February 20, 2009 2:21 PM +0000 Ian Eiloart <iane at sussex.ac.uk> wrote:

>
>
> --On 20 February 2009 09:04:51 +1000 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:
>
>> Deployment of IPv6 has been slow but it is accelerating now, as there is
>> only a 2-year supply (more or less) of IPv4 addresses remaining.  This is
>> now in the planning horizon of the industry, and we are seeing serious
>> movement for the first time.
>>
>> A lot of testing is being done now on hardware and software, and lists
>> are being developed of products which do and don't support IPv6.  I'm
>> afraid that if Mulberry gets onto the blacklists, it will lose more
>> ground to the standard mailers which already do (outlook, mac mail etc),
>> and that will be hard to regain.
>>
>> So, I'd urge IPv6 support, sooner rather than later!
>>
>
> Yes, the question is not how much IPv6 space is used, but how much IPv4 space is left.
>
>
> --
> Ian Eiloart
> IT Services, University of Sussex
> x3148
>



Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security
Columbia Information Security Office (CISO)
Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033
http://www.columbia.edu/~joel


From A.Clews at sussex.ac.uk  Tue Feb 24 04:47:39 2009
From: A.Clews at sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:47:39 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] "Illegal copy" label on Mac OSX Mulberry
Message-ID: <97C7A64E856162496932D9E3@cssp001036.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>

Apologies if this has been asked or discussed before (please point me at a 
thread archive if appropriate)...

The other day I used the Mulberry Admin Tool to build a Mac OSX version of 
Mulberry customised for use at my site.   When it had been built and 
installed, the start-up banner showed the legend "Illegal copy" in three 
places near the version number, which I thought was a bit strange given 
that Mulberry is now free and open source!

Although we were able to edit the binary so as to replace these labels 
with spaces and thus remove them, I'd like to know if the Mac OSX version 
can be built in such a way that it doesn't show these "illegal copy" 
labels in the first place, because it won't look terribly good if we 
distributed this version at our site with them in place!

I should point out that the Win32 version, when built in the same way, 
does not show the "illegal copy" labels.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Andy

-- 
Andy Clews
Email Services Support Manager,         University of Sussex IT Services
A.Clews at sussex.ac.uk                 Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QJ, U.K.

From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Tue Feb 24 06:36:46 2009
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:36:46 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] "Illegal copy" label on Mac OSX Mulberry
In-Reply-To: <97C7A64E856162496932D9E3@cssp001036.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <97C7A64E856162496932D9E3@cssp001036.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <35A1837BA93D5606C574DAC5@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On 24 February 2009 09:47:39 +0000 Andy Clews <A.Clews at sussex.ac.uk> 
wrote:

> Apologies if this has been asked or discussed before (please point me at
> a thread archive if appropriate)...
>
> The other day I used the Mulberry Admin Tool to build a Mac OSX version
> of Mulberry customised for use at my site.   When it had been built and
> installed, the start-up banner showed the legend "Illegal copy" in three
> places near the version number, which I thought was a bit strange given
> that Mulberry is now free and open source!


NB, the "Illegal copy" messages appear in the IMSP login dialog box.


-- 
Ian Eiloart
IT Services, University of Sussex
x3148

From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Tue Feb 24 14:20:47 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:20:47 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] "Illegal copy" label on Mac OSX Mulberry
In-Reply-To: <35A1837BA93D5606C574DAC5@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <97C7A64E856162496932D9E3@cssp001036.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<35A1837BA93D5606C574DAC5@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5A58462C78526C77D4E23D2D@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:36 AM +0000 Ian Eiloart 
<iane at sussex.ac.uk> wrote:

> NB, the "Illegal copy" messages appear in the IMSP login dialog box.

For those with source, the string appears in this file:

Mulberry\Sources_Common\Plugins\General\CRegistrationCommon.cp

It's used by CRegistration.cp, of which there are 3 versions (one for each 
OS).

I don't have time at the moment to chase beyond that to see how it's used.



From alex at alex.org.uk  Wed Feb 25 05:27:50 2009
From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:27:50 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] OS X address book
Message-ID: <2024A48CD7A522527C62F288@Ximines.local>

When I add an address to my OS-X address book, it does not seem to appear as
available in Mulberry (for instance in tab completion) until I quit and
reload mulberry. Having a live interaction would be lovely, but short
of that, is there any way I can manually make Mulberry reload the OS-X
address book without quit and restart?

Alex

From daboo at mulberrymail.com  Wed Feb 25 09:32:04 2009
From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:32:04 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] OS X address book
In-Reply-To: <2024A48CD7A522527C62F288@Ximines.local>
References: <2024A48CD7A522527C62F288@Ximines.local>
Message-ID: <C6B168FADB9EDA60A3CC2F5F@caldav.corp.apple.com>

Hi Alex,

--On February 25, 2009 10:27:50 AM +0000 Alex Bligh <alex at alex.org.uk> 
wrote:

> When I add an address to my OS-X address book, it does not seem to appear
> as
> available in Mulberry (for instance in tab completion) until I quit and
> reload mulberry. Having a live interaction would be lovely, but short
> of that, is there any way I can manually make Mulberry reload the OS-X
> address book without quit and restart?

What you probably have to do is create an empty local address book, then 
click on that to select and display it, then click back to the OS X one. I 
don't think Mulberry registers itself to receive notification of changes in 
the OS X address book, which explains the behavior you see.

-- 
Cyrus Daboo


From jelly at lang.hm  Sat Feb 28 17:03:32 2009
From: jelly at lang.hm (James E. Lang)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:03:32 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Time Formatting in list of messages
Message-ID: <32DEDC082A2FBC072AFA749F@red-rover>

In the list of messages, I see the time formatted as a twelve hour clock 
value with a time zone adjustment following it.

I want to see it formatted as a twenty-four hour clock value with the time 
already adjusted to my time zone (-0800).

   (e.g. 09:32:04 AM -0500 would appear as simply 06:32:04)

How am I supposed to set this preference?

I am running version 4.0.8 of Mulberry Mail on Kubuntu 8.10 (Linux).

-- 
Jim

From klensin+mulberry at jck.com  Sat Feb 28 18:02:48 2009
From: klensin+mulberry at jck.com (John C Klensin)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:02:48 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
References: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
Message-ID: <5381E964F5E550626AB812AE@PST.JCK.COM>



--On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:04:51 +1000, Paul Wilson
<pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:

> Deployment of IPv6 has been slow but it is accelerating now,
> as there is  only a 2-year supply (more or less) of IPv4
> addresses remaining.  This is  now in the planning horizon of
> the industry, and we are seeing serious  movement for the
> first time.
> 
> A lot of testing is being done now on hardware and software,
> and lists are  being developed of products which do and don't
> support IPv6.  I'm afraid  that if Mulberry gets onto the
> blacklists, it will lose more ground to the  standard mailers
> which already do (outlook, mac mail etc), and that will be 
> hard to regain.
> 
> So, I'd urge IPv6 support, sooner rather than later!

FWIW, I agree with Paul on this.  Even though my scenarios
involve relatively long-term use of IPv4 in end systems and
associated LANs, the blacklists are going to be very important
and will be interpreted as the dividing line between "maintained
software" and "dead software".  If Mulberry is to survive
long-term, this has to become a very high priority.

    john


From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Sat Feb 28 19:29:36 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:29:36 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <5381E964F5E550626AB812AE@PST.JCK.COM>
References: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
	<5381E964F5E550626AB812AE@PST.JCK.COM>
Message-ID: <DA1AD7B30A55629D62ED450B@[10.0.0.199]>

Patches welcome! Or even just identification of issues. Feel free to join 
the dev list and provide concrete info for coders. Just getting some idea 
of the scope of the issue would be helpful.

From pwilson at apnic.net  Sat Feb 28 20:05:03 2009
From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:05:03 +1000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <DA1AD7B30A55629D62ED450B@[10.0.0.199]>
References: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
	<5381E964F5E550626AB812AE@PST.JCK.COM>
	<DA1AD7B30A55629D62ED450B@[10.0.0.199]>
Message-ID: <FCCE605BFF699B86F19300E6@as-paul-l-726.local>

--On 28 February 2009 4:29:36 PM -0800 Kenneth Porter 
<shiva at sewingwitch.com> wrote:

> Patches welcome! Or even just identification of issues. Feel free to join
> the dev list and provide concrete info for coders. Just getting some idea
> of the scope of the issue would be helpful.


The following could be useful, from the NZNOG mailing list.  There may be a 
more definitive guide available somewhere.

Paul.


>>> On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 14:45 +1300, Ian Batterbee wrote:
>>>
>>>> But wasn't there a big discussion at NZNOG about how applications
>>>> shouldn't know anything (or care) about the underlying communication
>>>> protocols being used ?
>>>>
>>> Yes, and wouldn't it be nice if *libc* didn't want applications to
>>> make
>>> different calls when using IPv6 addresses vs. IPv4 addresses?
>>>
>>
>> Surely the bits of libc that are address-family dependent are those
>> that remain entrenched for historical reasons and rely upon data
>> structures that carry endpoint addresses in 32-bit words. That being
>> the case, requiring the use of different APIs seems fairly
>> understandable.
>>
>>
> the BSD sockets layer was designed, from the outset to support multiple
> address family's (AF's).
>
> There is a structure called "struct sockaddr" which represents a
> "generic" address of some unknown type.  It contains a "sa_family"
> member which tells you what type of address it is (AF_INET meaning IPv4
> address, AF_UNIX meaning unix domain socket, and so on).  You then cast
> it to the correct type (struct sockaddr_in for AF_INET, or struct
> sockaddr_un for AF_UNIX) to get the correct structure for the correct
> address family.
>
> All system calls (bind,connect,accept and so on) take a (struct sockaddr
> *), and thus can work with any address family.
>
> However some of the libc functions didn't consider things in a way that
> makes IPv6 useful.  gethostbyname(3) for instance can return a list of
> addresses, but they all have to be the same address type (thus you can't
> get AF_INET and AF_INET6 addresses at the same time), even more
> annoyingly the programmer doesn't get to ask if they get AF_INET or
> AF_INET6 sockets back, the call just returns one or the other (ie, only
> returns AF_INET addresses).   This apears to have been "fixed" at some
> point by 'getipnodebyname' calls which let you specify that you want
> AF_INET or AF_INET6 (or any other address family) addresses.  Not that
> this really solves the problem.
>
> Thus these were all superseeded with getnameinfo(), that given a name
> can return a list of addresses, in a specific order, of varying address
> families.
>
> So old apps use gethostbyname(), which is a nice trivial interface, that
> doesn't do what you want.  New apps use getnameinfo() which is a useful
> interface that does what you want, but is slightly more annoying to use
> (you have to provide a lot more information to it saying what you want),
> so it involves a lot more typing.  Nobody ever uses getipnodebyname().
>
> Things get even more annoying, when you consider (struct sockaddr) was
> supposed to be big enough to hold any address type.  But it's not quite
> big enough to fit an IPv6 address and all the ancillary information
> (port number, scopeid and so on), so now there's "struct
> sockaddr_storage".  So if you're allocating space for a generic address
> you use "sockaddr_storage", if you want to talk about a generic address
> of unknown type, you use "sockaddr", and if you want ipv4, ipv6 or unix
> domain sockets, you use sockaddr_in, sockaddr_in6, or sockaddr_un
> respectively.
>
> Then we get into the messy condition of converting addresses to a
> printable form (not resolving them, just displaying them).
>
> The original interface to convert a sockaddr_in to a printable address
> was to use inet_ntoa().  This does have the problem that it only works
> on an IPv4 address (sockaddr_in's generally contain an IP address and a
> port number), and doesn't work with IPv6 addresses at all.   Then theres
> inet_ntop() which can convert an IPv4 or IPv6 address, but you have to
> figure out if you're talking about IPv4 or IPv6 addresses before you
> call it, which again, makes it mostly useless and annoying to use.  The
> "modern" way is to use getaddrinfo(), and pass in the AI_PNUMERICHOST
> flag which then avoids trying to resolve it.
>
> If your application specifically wants to talk about just IPv4 addresses
> it can in theory use "struct in_addr", and struct in6_addr" for IPv6
> addresses. Don't do this. :P
>
> Converting an application to IPv6 is generally fairly straight forward.
> Convert the code that called gethostbyname() to getnameinfo(), convert
> anything that used inet_*to*() to use getnameinfo()/getaddrinfo() with
> AI_NUMERICHOST.  Convert anything that's listen()ing on sockets to also
> listen on a v6 socket.    Things get hairier when you want to step
> through a list of addresses returned by getnameinfo().  Make sure that
> some of the "sockaddr"'s become "sockaddr_storages" (But only the ones
> that allocate space, not ones that refer to a generic address that's
> allocated elsewhere).
>
> And then you have to deal with internal address policies.  Where they
> are displayed, are they stored, or transfered over the network?  Are
> they hashed? are there matches or other bits of code that know about the
> structure of an IP address being used?  Does it use : at the end of an
> address to represent a port number?  Do the internal protocol(s) use :
> for anything special?  This is often where porting an application
> becomes really difficult.
>
>
>
>
>
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From daboo at mulberrymail.com  Sat Feb 28 20:21:29 2009
From: daboo at mulberrymail.com (Cyrus Daboo)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:21:29 -0500
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Time Formatting in list of messages
In-Reply-To: <32DEDC082A2FBC072AFA749F@red-rover>
References: <32DEDC082A2FBC072AFA749F@red-rover>
Message-ID: <3D0383379E852351F0393D8D@socrates.local>

Hi James,

--On February 28, 2009 2:03:32 PM -0800 "James E. Lang" <jelly at lang.hm> 
wrote:

> In the list of messages, I see the time formatted as a twelve hour clock
> value with a time zone adjustment following it.
>
> I want to see it formatted as a twenty-four hour clock value with the
> time already adjusted to my time zone (-0800).
>
>    (e.g. 09:32:04 AM -0500 would appear as simply 06:32:04)
>
> How am I supposed to set this preference?
>
> I am running version 4.0.8 of Mulberry Mail on Kubuntu 8.10 (Linux).

Preferences/Display/Message - turn on "Display Dates Adjusted to Local 
Timezone".

To get 24 hour time you need to setup your locale for that.

-- 
Cyrus Daboo


From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Sat Feb 28 20:38:57 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:38:57 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <FCCE605BFF699B86F19300E6@as-paul-l-726.local>
References: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
	<5381E964F5E550626AB812AE@PST.JCK.COM>
	<DA1AD7B30A55629D62ED450B@[10.0.0.199]>
	<FCCE605BFF699B86F19300E6@as-paul-l-726.local>
Message-ID: <B20A5A4546517BDC6580634E@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:05 AM +1000 Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic.net> 
wrote:

>> And then you have to deal with internal address policies.  Where they
>> are displayed, are they stored, or transfered over the network?  Are
>> they hashed? are there matches or other bits of code that know about the
>> structure of an IP address being used?  Does it use : at the end of an
>> address to represent a port number?  Do the internal protocol(s) use :
>> for anything special?  This is often where porting an application
>> becomes really difficult.

The colon will be an issue. Mulberry currently requires that you enter the 
port number as part of the server name (eg. smtp.example.com:587 for the 
submission port for SMTP) instead of accepting it as a separate field in 
the account setup dialog. I haven't yet dug down to see what happens to it 
after that. (What's the accepted way to specify a port number associated 
with an IPv6 address?)



From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Sat Feb 28 21:18:40 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:18:40 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <FCCE605BFF699B86F19300E6@as-paul-l-726.local>
References: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
	<5381E964F5E550626AB812AE@PST.JCK.COM>
	<DA1AD7B30A55629D62ED450B@[10.0.0.199]>
	<FCCE605BFF699B86F19300E6@as-paul-l-726.local>
Message-ID: <3EEACC0455A1FC407567EE7C@[10.0.0.199]>

The first hunk of source code that needs a rewrite is here:

<http://svn.mulberrymail.com/mulberry/Mulberry/trunk/Sources_Common/Mail/Network/CTCPSocket.cp>

This has a lot of assumptions about 32-bit IP addresses. With any luck, 
this would cover 99% of the changes and there'd be no sensitivity to 
transport in the rest of the code, except perhaps for how to specify port 
numbers in server specs.