From jethro.anderson at bristol.ac.uk  Thu Jul  2 09:34:35 2009
From: jethro.anderson at bristol.ac.uk (Iain (Jethro) Anderson)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:34:35 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] SASL/PLAIN top openLDAP for addressbooks
Message-ID: <4A4CB76B.9020606@bristol.ac.uk>

Hi

Is it at all possible to get Mulberry to use SASL/PLAIN to connect to 
and openldap directory for address lookup.

If you specify plain text as the method when configuring the ldap server 
in Mulberry preferences then it expects a simple bind requiring a 
complete dn (eg uid=username, cn=users,dc=org,dc=domain) - which then 
necessitates an additional password to be entered.

We have to use PLAIN as we are using saslauthd (and pam to Acitive 
Directory) to handle authentication on the LDAP service. We have a 
requirement that e.g student entries are *not* released to non-members 
of our institution so an anonymous bind is not possible.

Our management would prefer it if we could use 'Match Userid and password'
 - impossible if the userid does not, in fact, match

Thanks for your help

From rick at activeservice.co.uk  Wed Jul  8 10:45:23 2009
From: rick at activeservice.co.uk (Rick Jones)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:45:23 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry Development
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906010812220.4192@qynat-qrfxgbc.qvtvgnyvafvtug.pbz>
References: <ADB8741DED7A8158D21634B1@Chaims-MacBook-Pro-2.local>
	<C18BA823F0D3BFE9BBAA5457@utd65257.utdallas.edu>
	<720541.46980.qm@web46314.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<200905311110.50675.sombrero@mm.st>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0906010812220.4192@qynat-qrfxgbc.qvtvgnyvafvtug.pbz>
Message-ID: <C146C78F8E47392127F8E378@dad>

I decided to bite the bullet and try to build the Linux version of Mulberry 
- it's hard!

I'm a now-retired ex software developer, and long-time Mulberry user. In 
the last 6 months I've switched to using Linux (Ubuntu) as my primary 
system, and the Linux version of Mulberry has even more annoying quirks 
than the Windows version.

As I have time on my hands I thought it was about time I had a go at fixing 
some stuff, but I can't even get the base compile to work.

The big problem is that the code uses lots of ancient deprecated C++ stuff, 
and even the GNU backwards-compatible bits aren't enough to help it compile.

If anyone knows the magic incantations for the compiling it I'd appreciate 
some tips!

Does Cyrus read this list?

-- Rick Jones

--On Monday, June 01, 2009 08:16:11 -0700 David Lang 
<david.lang at digitalinsight.com> wrote:

? On Sun, 31 May 2009, Gleason wrote:
?
? > On Sunday 31 May 2009 06:55:15 am Tom Legg wrote:
? >
? >> I don't know why developers haven't been drawn to it,
? >
? > Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.  Mulberry is not the only OS 
email
? > client languishing in the shadows.  The one exception is Thunderbird. 
The
? > difference being, I suspect, that the Mozilla foundation is able to pay
? its
? > developers.
?
? one other significant problem is the difficulty in compiling mulberry. 
this
? may have changed without me noticing it, but when it was initially 
released
? it requires a very specific toolset to compile that is not commonly
? installed. The codebase was fragmented for the different flavors
? (unix/mac/windows). I have seen Cyrus working on these issues, but until
? there is a common codebase that people can work on (and submit patches 
to),
? and can compile easily you won't have very many people trying to work on 
it.
?
? David Lang
?
? >> --On Tuesday, May 05, 2009 09:42:24 -0500 "Dr. Steven P. Frysinger"
? > <frysinsp at jmu.edu> wrote:
? >>> What is/was the development model? Does it all fall on Cyrus, or is
? there
? >>> a knowledgeable cadre to help him? If not, should we think about
? creating
? >>> one? I can't imagine being in his position, responsible for 
maintenance
? >>> of such a sophisticated program without either help or compensation.
? >
? > And without compensation, that help must be vanishingly small.
? >
? > There are people here (or there were) who will list OS projects that 
are
? also
? > commercial successes in one way or another.  I guess the bottom line is
? (for
? > whatever debatable reason), if Mulberry was capable of that, Cyrus'
? business
? > would not have failed, and so he would not have taken Mulberry to OS.
? >
? > --
? > Gleason
? >
?
?


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From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Wed Jul  8 18:35:51 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry Development
In-Reply-To: <C146C78F8E47392127F8E378@dad>
References: <ADB8741DED7A8158D21634B1@Chaims-MacBook-Pro-2.local>
	<C18BA823F0D3BFE9BBAA5457@utd65257.utdallas.edu>
	<720541.46980.qm@web46314.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<200905311110.50675.sombrero@mm.st>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0906010812220.4192@qynat-qrfxgbc.qvtvgnyvafvtug.pbz>
	<C146C78F8E47392127F8E378@dad>
Message-ID: <EA4AA727B7315C0FFC99C409@[10.170.7.6]>

--On Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:45 PM +0100 Rick Jones 
<rick at activeservice.co.uk> wrote:

> I decided to bite the bullet and try to build the Linux version of
> Mulberry - it's hard!

Wrong list. ;)

You want mulberry-dev.

<http://lists.mulberrymail.com/mailman/listinfo/mulberry-dev>

Check the archives there on the progress others have made building on 
Linux, back when the source was first available.



From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Wed Jul 15 17:05:06 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:05:06 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] SMTP Auth does not work (fwd)
Message-ID: <2FB17A5A3901427CF63D50B4@[10.170.7.6]>

Forwarding this to the list, as I don't know enough about STARTTLS to offer 
advice.

------------ Forwarded Message ------------
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:24 PM +0200
From: Reiner Hartwigk <reiner at hartwigk.de>
To: Kenneth Porter <shiva at sewingwitch.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Mulberry-discuss] SMTP Auth does not work

Hello,

thank you very much, I found it myself while taking the snapshots and
checking everything against the handbook!
It is working now with "no security" and "SSLv3".
The interesting thing is, that the server says 250-STARTTLS, but no version
of STARTTLS did work. Underneath is the log with the setting "STARTTLS-SSL"
I have to kill Mulberry with the taskmanager at this position.

I can read the mails plain text in the logfile, but I guess SSLv3 will
scramble it on the line? Or do I need STARTTLS?

Thank you

Reiner

--> #1 Starting SMTP Session on Wed Jul 15 22:14:01 2009: smtp.strato.de
220 post.strato.de [klopstock mo8] ESMTP RZmta 18.49 ready; Wed, 15 Jul
2009 22:05:24 +0200 (MEST)
EHLO pc-spezialist
250-post.strato.de [klopstock mo8] greets 95.116.3.103
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-PIPELINING
250-DELIVERBY
250-SIZE 104857600
250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5
250-STARTTLS
250 HELP
STARTTLS
220 Ready to start TLS




--On Montag, 13. Juli 2009 14:31 -0700 Kenneth Porter
<shiva at sewingwitch.com> wrote:

> --On Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:26 AM +0200 Reiner Hartwigk
> <reiner at hartwigk.de> wrote:
>
>> I double checked everything, nothing looks odd.
>> I have no clue.
>> What Information do you need?
>
> Maybe a screenshot of the SMTP account window? With each of the option
> tabs. I'm pretty sure those don't show your password, and I might guess
> what's missing that way. Save as a PNG file so it's small for mailing.

---------- End Forwarded Message ----------





From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Thu Jul 16 04:08:09 2009
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:08:09 +0200
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] SMTP Auth does not work (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <2FB17A5A3901427CF63D50B4@[10.170.7.6]>
References: <2FB17A5A3901427CF63D50B4@[10.170.7.6]>
Message-ID: <9E17423621EE3FE45C162E88@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi,

> thank you very much, I found it myself while taking the snapshots and
> checking everything against the handbook!
> It is working now with "no security" and "SSLv3".
> The interesting thing is, that the server says 250-STARTTLS, but no
> version
> of STARTTLS did work.

it does for me with your server. Mulberry 4.0.9 under Mac OS X.

> Underneath is the log with the setting
> "STARTTLS-SSL"
> I have to kill Mulberry with the taskmanager at this position.

OK, so you're using Windows. AFAIK Mulberry uses a different SSL 
implementation under Windows, which might explain that discrepancy.

> I can read the mails plain text in the logfile, but I guess SSLv3 will
> scramble it on the line? Or do I need STARTTLS?

No, both are fine. So just use SSLv3 if that works.
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
                 .:.Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK).:.
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.
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