From jelly at lang.hm  Sun Mar  1 17:25:03 2009
From: jelly at lang.hm (James E. Lang)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:25:03 -0800
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Time Formatting in list of messages
In-Reply-To: <3D0383379E852351F0393D8D@socrates.local>
References: <32DEDC082A2FBC072AFA749F@red-rover>
	<3D0383379E852351F0393D8D@socrates.local>
Message-ID: <359C367A5A38CA78EC7ED5F6@red-rover>

Thank you Cyrus.

The conversion to local time works now. Unfortunately the time is still in 
12 hour mode even though the format specified in my system's "System 
Settings > Regional & Language > Time & Dates" is already HH:MM:SS.

In my original post I failed to mention that I have upgraded Kubuntu 8.10 
to use KDE 4.2 (just in case that throws a different light on the matter). 
I suppose I may have to rattle the cage of the KDE team unless you can 
point me to a different place where the time format for the system is 
supposed to be set.

-- 
Jim

--On Saturday, February 28, 2009 08:21:29 PM -0500 Cyrus Daboo 
<daboo at mulberrymail.com> wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> --On February 28, 2009 2:03:32 PM -0800 "James E. Lang" <jelly at lang.hm>
> wrote:
>
>> In the list of messages, I see the time formatted as a twelve hour clock
>> value with a time zone adjustment following it.
>>
>> I want to see it formatted as a twenty-four hour clock value with the
>> time already adjusted to my time zone (-0800).
>>
>>    (e.g. 09:32:04 AM -0500 would appear as simply 06:32:04)
>>
>> How am I supposed to set this preference?
>>
>> I am running version 4.0.8 of Mulberry Mail on Kubuntu 8.10 (Linux).
>
> Preferences/Display/Message - turn on "Display Dates Adjusted to Local
> Timezone".
>
> To get 24 hour time you need to setup your locale for that.


From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Mon Mar  2 07:36:46 2009
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:36:46 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IPv6
In-Reply-To: <B20A5A4546517BDC6580634E@[10.0.0.199]>
References: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
	<5381E964F5E550626AB812AE@PST.JCK.COM>
	<DA1AD7B30A55629D62ED450B@[10.0.0.199]>
	<FCCE605BFF699B86F19300E6@as-paul-l-726.local>
	<B20A5A4546517BDC6580634E@[10.0.0.199]>
Message-ID: <AAC84BFE1B43D38A88F360BA@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On 28 February 2009 17:38:57 -0800 Kenneth Porter <shiva at sewingwitch.com> 
wrote:

> --On Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:05 AM +1000 Paul Wilson
> <pwilson at apnic.net> wrote:
>
>>> And then you have to deal with internal address policies.  Where they
>>> are displayed, are they stored, or transfered over the network?  Are
>>> they hashed? are there matches or other bits of code that know about the
>>> structure of an IP address being used?  Does it use : at the end of an
>>> address to represent a port number?  Do the internal protocol(s) use :
>>> for anything special?  This is often where porting an application
>>> becomes really difficult.
>
> The colon will be an issue. Mulberry currently requires that you enter
> the port number as part of the server name (eg. smtp.example.com:587 for
> the submission port for SMTP) instead of accepting it as a separate field
> in the account setup dialog. I haven't yet dug down to see what happens
> to it after that. (What's the accepted way to specify a port number
> associated with an IPv6 address?)
>

This needs reviewing. First, Mulberry needs to default to port 587, not 25. 
Then, it should attempt port 25 if port 587 fails. That should take care of 
most cases.

Then, it should support some sort of autodiscovery. Probably leveraging an 
existing mechanism, like one or more of these:

Outlook:
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc511507.aspx>, but see 
<http://fanf.livejournal.com/95018.html>. This describes an xml file 
fetched from a secure web server. And, it describes an algorithm for 
guessing configuration - the options are reasonable, but the defaults are 
poor.

Apple Mail:
/Library/Mail/AccountTypes/com.apple.builtin.mailaccounts/MailAccounts.plist
(using a local file) 
<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSXServer/Conceptual/XServer_ProgrammingGuide/Articles/MailAccountBundles.html>

Thunderbird:
<https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration>


-- 
Ian Eiloart
IT Services, University of Sussex
x3148

From A.Clews at sussex.ac.uk  Mon Mar  2 10:24:55 2009
From: A.Clews at sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:24:55 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Mulberry-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
References: <mailman.7.1235858630.7421.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
Message-ID: <D95D9B9F97F8B0BC0E12C8A3@cssp001036.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:20:47 -0800 Kenneth Porter <shiva at sewingwitch.com> 
wrote:

>> NB, the "Illegal copy" messages appear in the IMSP login dialog box.
>
> For those with source, the string appears in this file:
>
> Mulberry\Sources_Common\Plugins\General\CRegistrationCommon.cp
>
> It's used by CRegistration.cp, of which there are 3 versions (one for
> each  OS).

Yes, but - this is a question for Cyrus - I was wondering if it should be 
set as such in the 'official' download, to obtain consistency with the 
Win32 version?

Andy

-- 
Andy Clews
Email Services Support Manager,         University of Sussex IT Services
A.Clews at sussex.ac.uk                 Falmer, BRIGHTON BN1 9QJ, U.K.

From davidbo at kth.se  Sun Mar  8 08:39:58 2009
From: davidbo at kth.se (david)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:39:58 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Syncing mailboxes
Message-ID: <E049C84F995CB1748D2392AC@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>

My draft mailbox has started to act weirdly: when I am disconnected it as 
173 messages in it but when I connect it only has 167. For some reason six 
of the 'offline' messages does not get synced to the online storage when I 
connect. Any ideas why and what I can do about it?

-- 
Visit the Mulberry IRC-channel

irc://irc.freenode.net/mulberry

From joniplum at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 20:15:00 2009
From: joniplum at gmail.com (chueewowee)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:15:00 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] gmail message sorting
Message-ID: <joniplum-3AC1EC.00150011032009@ger.gmane.org>

I had tow accounts with gmail, both worked fine. I deleted one, without 
making any changes to the second, remaining account. Now I get  very 
real difficulties in reading mail.

Here are some salient settings:

> server: imap.gamil.com
> authentication: plaint text
> secure: sslv3

new mail is registered , , the count of messages is there, but when 
click the box and I try to retreive mail, a sort is requested. Selecting 
the option full sort, the following error and message occurs:


> > A problem occurred while decoding the information sent from the dserver. The operation has been cancelled.
> > 

Selecting the option 'current', i am not taken to the fist unread 
message (as per preferences', and in scrolling the box (0f about 1,300 
messages) in my inbox, i am left with message list window containing 
many blanks, and one message at the bottom (as if it doesn't know where 
it is); I click again on the window and a list appears...BUT: I can't 
give a perfect description because its full of quirkiness. When I click 
the date column to get somewhere, something happens, but i'm still stuck 
at 2008, no 2009 messages appear. SO I try to scroll again and the error 
message 'a problem has occurred...' appears and the box closes.

By comparison, mutt behaves ok, and so does apple mail.
I am now going to switch off 'allow disconnected operations' and see if 
that helps....no application crashed. After a restart, again, full sort 
won't work. Current sort takes me nowhere in the mailbox, date coumn 
clicking doesn't work, scrolling raises the same 'problem has occurred..'


Help appreciated. Mulberry is the best mail responder, otherwise. 
Something to do with gmail perhaps. This has been ongoing for two weeks.

John Plum


From joniplum at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 07:49:25 2009
From: joniplum at gmail.com (chueewowee)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:49:25 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] sorting problem on gmail account
Message-ID: <joniplum-513FFB.11492511032009@ger.gmane.org>

Hi folk!

Gmail was ruing OK for a year or more, until recently (when i deleted 
one of my two accounts, making no other changes to the remaining account 
preferences!).


When selecting the mailbox, upon receiving new messages, i get the error:

> A problem occurred while decoding the information sent from the server. 
> The operation ghas been cancelled.

I get the same message when opening and a sort is requested, and i 
choose the option "full sort"
If I choose the option "current", then no new message (as per mulberry 
preferences) is selected, and scrolling the box simply causes the same 
error message: "a problem has..." CLicking on the date column for a sort 
is not effective any more either.
SO, the account is unusable in Mulberry at the momoment, and this has 
persisted now for a second week. Its fine in Mutt and Apple Mail.

Help appreciated.

Salient account details:

Method: Plain Text
server: imap.gmail.com
Secure: SSLv3


From joniplum at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 11 08:09:00 2009
From: joniplum at googlemail.com (chueewowee)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:09:00 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] sorting gmail
Message-ID: <joniplum-4E2505.12090011032009@ger.gmane.org>

Dear Mulberry Users,

Could you tell me what this error  may indicate?

>> A problem occurred while decoding the information 
> sent from the server. 
> The operation ghas been cancelled.

This occurs on a full sort option, when requested for a sort, and when 
scrolling the box, if "current" sort is selected.

Regards,
____
John Plum


From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Wed Mar 11 18:58:29 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:58:29 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] sorting gmail
In-Reply-To: <joniplum-4E2505.12090011032009@ger.gmane.org>
References: <joniplum-4E2505.12090011032009@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <EAF3171FFFB1F56F6E4798A5@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:09 PM +0000 chueewowee 
<joniplum at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Could you tell me what this error  may indicate?
>
>>> A problem occurred while decoding the information
>> sent from the server.
>> The operation ghas been cancelled.
>
> This occurs on a full sort option, when requested for a sort, and when
> scrolling the box, if "current" sort is selected.

I don't know what it means, but if I saw that, I'd turn on IMAP protocol 
logging and inspect the log to see what the server sent back from the sort 
command.



From davidbo at kth.se  Sat Mar 14 08:36:55 2009
From: davidbo at kth.se (david)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:36:55 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Syncing mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <E049C84F995CB1748D2392AC@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
References: <E049C84F995CB1748D2392AC@2C758B7B253C034280D2FE55>
Message-ID: <CC08DBFC2FE46D6EF49DDC71@mbp.lan>

--On 2009-03-08 13.39 +0100 david <davidbo at kth.se> wrote:

> My draft mailbox has started to act weirdly: when I am disconnected it as
> 173 messages in it but when I connect it only has 167. For some reason
> six  of the 'offline' messages does not get synced to the online storage
> when I  connect. Any ideas why and what I can do about it?

No one knew anything about this?

-- 
Democracy: Two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.


From frysinsp at jmu.edu  Sun Mar 15 08:25:39 2009
From: frysinsp at jmu.edu (Dr. Steven P. Frysinger)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:25:39 -0400
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IMAP problem
Message-ID: <C13AE6D29B2BCC650EEE1FE7@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local>

I just started getting an error when connecting to one of my IMAP servers 
through Mulberry 3:

"A problem occurred while decoding the information sent from the server. 
The operation has been cancelled.
Account: JMU IMAP
Mailbox: INBOX"

I am able to connect to my other 2 IMAP accounts with no problem, and this 
problem doesn't occur with Mulberry 4. So it doesn't seem like it's a 
server-side problem, but nothing has changed on my client side (at least as 
far as I know). In any case, the same preferences work for version 4.

Any suggestions for what might have happened? (I'm on an iBook G4.) I 
figure there must have been a file corruption (which sometimes happens with 
my mailboxes - deleting them allows them to be reinitialized 
automatically). But I don't know where to look, short of reinstalling 
version 3 from scratch.

BTW, you might suggest just using Mulberry version 4 - but the OS X version 
4 still has the problem of dropping the connection several times an hour - 
very inconvenient. Otherwise I'd love to switch b/c I'm tired of version 
3's short filename restriction.

Thanks!
Steve Frysinger

From jelly at lang.hm  Sun Mar 15 21:18:17 2009
From: jelly at lang.hm (James E. Lang)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:18:17 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Filtering
Message-ID: <8DF329C1EBDA5A21316B4EFA@red-rover>

I am a long time (near 10 years) Pegasus Mail user but due to a security 
issue in its IMAP implementation I've been looking for another mail client. 
My main reason for sticking with Pegasus Mail as long as I did was its mail 
filtering mechanism. By comparison, every other mail client that I've 
looked at strikes me as primitive.

Mulberry Mail (Mulberry) was recommended to me. Though its implementation 
of the IMAP interface is superb, I am still not thrilled by the filtering 
interface. I will describe below some specific problems that I am having 
with Mulberry's filtering.

1) I want to perform some actions on messages that purport to have 
originated from one of my several e-mail addresses, and were addressed to 
one of those same set of e-mail addresses, and have not been seen by one of 
the mailing lists of which I am a member, and do not contain a "password" 
string that I would use in test messages. This could be used to filter out 
a lot of my spam. Note that this involves a series of logical ORs connected 
to each other by logical ANDs. I cannot find in the Mulberry Reference 
Guide v4 for Linux any mention as to the precedence rules employed for 
these logical operators. If this works as I want then I can use a single 
rule with less than 20 conditions. Otherwise I would need well over 100 
rules. With no apparent mechanism to specify grouping of the conditions it 
has to be Mulberry's way or the highway. I hope that Mulberry's way is:

    (a or b) and (c or d) and (e or f) and g

2) With a growing list of over 20 rules at present, I find it very awkward 
to get the rules processed in the order I need. Yes, in the rules list I 
can move a rule up or down by any amount I may desire but that does not 
appear to alter the order in which the rules are processed.

3) I have rules in which one of the actions is to display an alert. More 
often than I care to experience, Mulberry terminates when I click "OK."

4) Changes to the rules and/or triggers don't appear to take effect until 
Mulberry is terminated and restarted.

I think I had a fifth issue with Mulberry's filtering but I can't recall it 
at this time. I welcome feedback regarding any of the four listed issues.

-- 
Jim



From jelly at lang.hm  Sun Mar 15 21:50:19 2009
From: jelly at lang.hm (James E. Lang)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:50:19 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Keyboard Shortcuts
Message-ID: <A30BCAD6045BAC9503A79A21@red-rover>

I am using Mulberry Mail (Mulberry) 4.0.8 on Kubuntu 8.10.

Some menu items show keyboard shortcuts that make use of a key called Meta 
(e.g. Close Meta-W). The Mulberry Reference Guide v4 for Linux shows the 
keyboard shortcuts as involving Ctrl instead. I have not found an instance 
in which Ctrl works but I have found that some but not all of the time 
"Win" does work. I don't understand.


-- 
Jim

From mulberry at lists.blurk.net  Sun Mar 15 22:06:57 2009
From: mulberry at lists.blurk.net (Bernie Maier)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:06:57 +1100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <8DF329C1EBDA5A21316B4EFA@red-rover>
References: <8DF329C1EBDA5A21316B4EFA@red-rover>
Message-ID: <3DC7CC91A871775CD2407A76@knockando>

James E. Lang:

> Mulberry Mail (Mulberry) was recommended to me. Though its implementation of
> the IMAP interface is superb, I am still not thrilled by the filtering
> interface. I will describe below some specific problems that I am having
> with Mulberry's filtering.

Well, I guess it may take some getting used to and yes there are
shortcomings.

> [...] With no
> apparent mechanism to specify grouping of the conditions it has to be
> Mulberry's way or the highway. I hope that Mulberry's way is:
>
>     (a or b) and (c or d) and (e or f) and g

Off the top of my head, I can't answer the question of precedence, but
it turns out there *is* a grouping mechanism (yes, for many years I also
believed this was absent, by I discovered it by accident a couple of years
ago).  You may have been looking for grouping with the logical operators.
In fact, grouping is one of the conditions you can select.  In v3 it
appears near the bottom of the list of conditions; I don't have v4 in
front of me right now.

> 2) With a growing list of over 20 rules at present, I find it very awkward
> to get the rules processed in the order I need. Yes, in the rules list I can
> move a rule up or down by any amount I may desire but that does not appear
> to alter the order in which the rules are processed.

Yes, that is a shortcoming.  I discovered a workaround and that is to
remove rules from their trigger, then reassign them back to the trigger
in the order you want them to be processed.  While I agree it would be
more intuitive just to be able to reorder them in the rules list, I can
see that since each rule in the list may be triggered by different triggers,
some users may desire the flexibity for the rules to be processed in a
different order for each trigger.

> 3) I have rules in which one of the actions is to display an alert. More
> often than I care to experience, Mulberry terminates when I click "OK."

I can't help with this one, as I don't used alerts.  I just move messges
to different mailboxes, where they appear in the list of new messages.

> 4) Changes to the rules and/or triggers don't appear to take effect until
> Mulberry is terminated and restarted.

Hmmm.  I don't think I've encountered that.  However, to be honest, I
don't use client-side filtering to anywhere near the extent I used to
use it, as I am able to to use server-side filtering on my main domain.


Cheers,

    Bernie


From jelly at lang.hm  Sun Mar 15 22:10:47 2009
From: jelly at lang.hm (James E. Lang)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:10:47 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Checking out source code and making Mulberry Mail
Message-ID: <0EC67A0ACB7BF4D3F1733058@red-rover>

Kubuntu 8.10

I tried checking out the Mulberry Mail source for Linux. First I installed 
subversion. Then I followed these steps:

   1. Create a new directory to be used as the base for all Mulberry open 
source files.
   2. cd into the new directory.
   3. Download the startup Makefile-Linux.
   4. Type make -f Makefile-Linux all.

The first problem that I encountered was that make expects a program called 
makemake to exist in the execution path. As I see things, makemake is 
created later. It looks like make anticipates that Mulberry has been built 
at least once before on the subject computer. That does not help the first 
time around. An attempt to work around this problem leads to other failures 
which I won't try to discuss at this time. "Sufficient unto the day is the 
evil thereof."

-- 
Jim

From jelly at lang.hm  Sun Mar 15 23:07:49 2009
From: jelly at lang.hm (James E. Lang)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:07:49 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <3DC7CC91A871775CD2407A76@knockando>
References: <8DF329C1EBDA5A21316B4EFA@red-rover>
	<3DC7CC91A871775CD2407A76@knockando>
Message-ID: <F3BC10A63AB83C450B23BA7F@red-rover>

Thanks Bernie. Comments interspersed.

--On Monday, March 16, 2009 01:06:57 PM +1100 Bernie Maier 
<mulberry at lists.blurk.net> wrote:

> James E. Lang:
>
>> Mulberry Mail (Mulberry) was recommended to me. Though its
>> implementation of the IMAP interface is superb, I am still not thrilled
>> by the filtering interface. I will describe below some specific problems
>> that I am having with Mulberry's filtering.
>
> Well, I guess it may take some getting used to and yes there are
> shortcomings.
>
>> [...] With no
>> apparent mechanism to specify grouping of the conditions it has to be
>> Mulberry's way or the highway. I hope that Mulberry's way is:
>>
>>     (a or b) and (c or d) and (e or f) and g
>
> Off the top of my head, I can't answer the question of precedence, but
> it turns out there *is* a grouping mechanism (yes, for many years I also
> believed this was absent, by I discovered it by accident a couple of years
> ago).  You may have been looking for grouping with the logical operators.
> In fact, grouping is one of the conditions you can select.  In v3 it
> appears near the bottom of the list of conditions; I don't have v4 in
> front of me right now.

Yes, indeed. It looks like grouping works that way.


>> 2) With a growing list of over 20 rules at present, I find it very
>> awkward to get the rules processed in the order I need. Yes, in the
>> rules list I can move a rule up or down by any amount I may desire but
>> that does not appear to alter the order in which the rules are processed.
>
> Yes, that is a shortcoming.  I discovered a workaround and that is to
> remove rules from their trigger, then reassign them back to the trigger
> in the order you want them to be processed.  While I agree it would be
> more intuitive just to be able to reorder them in the rules list, I can
> see that since each rule in the list may be triggered by different
> triggers, some users may desire the flexibity for the rules to be
> processed in a different order for each trigger.

I also had discovered that removing rules from their triggers and then 
reassigning them back works. Inserting a rule in the middle of the 
trigger's list of rules does not appear to be possible. I also discovered 
that you can have multiple triggers that trigger on the same event. I don't 
know whether those triggers are processed in any particular order but I 
don't see a way to resequence the order of the triggers themselves other 
than by emptying one that I may want last, deleting it, recreating it, and 
repopulating it.

=====8<-----

-- 
Jim

From mulberry at lists.blurk.net  Sun Mar 15 23:16:59 2009
From: mulberry at lists.blurk.net (Bernie Maier)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:16:59 +1100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <F3BC10A63AB83C450B23BA7F@red-rover>
References: <8DF329C1EBDA5A21316B4EFA@red-rover>
	<3DC7CC91A871775CD2407A76@knockando>
	<F3BC10A63AB83C450B23BA7F@red-rover>
Message-ID: <E67D7563C9C9695B338B73F3@knockando>

James E. Lang:

[...]

> I also had discovered that removing rules from their triggers and then
> reassigning them back works. Inserting a rule in the middle of the trigger's
> list of rules does not appear to be possible. I also discovered that you can
> have multiple triggers that trigger on the same event. I don't know whether
> those triggers are processed in any particular order but I don't see a way
> to resequence the order of the triggers themselves other than by emptying
> one that I may want last, deleting it, recreating it, and repopulating it.

I will admit that once or twice when I had to do some wholesale reordering
of the rules for a particular trigger, I ended up hand-editing the preference
file.  A task not for the faint-of-heart.


Cheers,

    Bernie


From klensin+mulberry at jck.com  Sun Mar 15 23:17:39 2009
From: klensin+mulberry at jck.com (John C Klensin)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:17:39 -0400
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Syncing mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.82.1237166460.139.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
References: <mailman.82.1237166460.139.mulberry-discuss@lists.mulberrymail.com>
Message-ID: <671E1BECE107A74D3C414DFA@PST.JCK.COM>



--On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:36:55 +0100, david <davidbo at kth.se>
wrote:
 
> --On 2009-03-08 13.39 +0100 david <davidbo at kth.se> wrote:
> 
>> My draft mailbox has started to act weirdly: when I am
>> disconnected it as 173 messages in it but when I connect it
>> only has 167. For some reason six  of the 'offline' messages
>> does not get synced to the online storage when I  connect.
>> Any ideas why and what I can do about it?
> 
> No one knew anything about this?

When this has happened to me (usually with the inbox in some
account), the cause has usually been multiple copies of the same
message in the offline cache.  Try the following if you haven't
already.

(1) Go online
(2) Open the relevant mailbox and select a message in it (any
message)
(3) From the main menu panel, select Mailbox/Synchronize...
(4) In the Synchronize dialogue box that will come up, select
"all messages" under Mailbox and whatever you like under
Messages.
(5) Click "ok".  

That should compare the online and offline versions of the
mailbox, expunge anything that does not exist online from the
offline version, and generally clean things up.
If it does not work, the only other thing I know to try involves
clearing the offline version and synchronizing again from
scratch.

   john




From jelly at lang.hm  Mon Mar 16 10:33:11 2009
From: jelly at lang.hm (James E. Lang)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:33:11 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Triggers
Message-ID: <CB5B2A2A24419A0DD304C000@red-rover>

How does one go about editing a trigger other than by depopulating it, 
deleting it, creating a new one, and populating the new one? Then there is 
the issue of getting the triggers in the proper order after such a change.


-- 
Jim

From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Mon Mar 16 11:20:02 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:20:02 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IMAP problem
In-Reply-To: <C13AE6D29B2BCC650EEE1FE7@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local>
References: <C13AE6D29B2BCC650EEE1FE7@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local>
Message-ID: <8D947578DDAA6C356D2DD66C@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:25 AM -0400 "Dr. Steven P. Frysinger" 
<frysinsp at jmu.edu> wrote:

> "A problem occurred while decoding the information sent from the server.
> The operation has been cancelled.
> Account: JMU IMAP
> Mailbox: INBOX"

Turn on IMAP logging and see if you can see something in the initial 
exchange with that server that looks fishy.



From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Mon Mar 16 11:25:20 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <3DC7CC91A871775CD2407A76@knockando>
References: <8DF329C1EBDA5A21316B4EFA@red-rover>
	<3DC7CC91A871775CD2407A76@knockando>
Message-ID: <B9CAE18991B69CA469006109@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Monday, March 16, 2009 2:06 PM +1100 Bernie Maier 
<mulberry at lists.blurk.net> wrote:

> However, to be honest, I
> don't use client-side filtering to anywhere near the extent I used to
> use it, as I am able to to use server-side filtering on my main domain.

Same here. I didn't even realize Mulberry had filtering. I'm using procmail 
on the server to do all my filtering.

My whole point of going to IMAP was to eliminate dependence on how 
different clients worked and to try to store as much state and 
configuration on the server as I could. That way when it came time to 
change clients, the new client could use all my saved information without 
any conversions.



From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Mon Mar 16 11:30:03 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:30:03 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Checking out source code and making Mulberry
 Mail
In-Reply-To: <0EC67A0ACB7BF4D3F1733058@red-rover>
References: <0EC67A0ACB7BF4D3F1733058@red-rover>
Message-ID: <AFA3D1B26A7933F8636BC160@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:10 PM -0700 "James E. Lang" <jelly at lang.hm> 
wrote:

> The first problem that I encountered was that make expects a program
> called makemake to exist in the execution path. As I see things, makemake
> is created later. It looks like make anticipates that Mulberry has been
> built at least once before on the subject computer. That does not help
> the first time around. An attempt to work around this problem leads to
> other failures which I won't try to discuss at this time. "Sufficient
> unto the day is the evil thereof."

This topic is better addressed on the dev list. Check the archives there. 
(It's a quiet list, so not much to review.) I think I encountered this as 
well and there was some discussion that allowed me to make progress.

<http://lists.mulberrymail.com/mailman/listinfo/mulberry-dev>

(For some reason, there's no link to the dev list page from the Support 
page on the main site.)

Currently I'm working on the code in Windows, and don't remember much of my 
attempts to get it to build on Linux.



From david.lang at digitalinsight.com  Mon Mar 16 12:07:10 2009
From: david.lang at digitalinsight.com (David Lang)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Triggers
In-Reply-To: <CB5B2A2A24419A0DD304C000@red-rover>
References: <CB5B2A2A24419A0DD304C000@red-rover>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0903160905320.30673@qynat-qrfxgbc.qvtvgnyvafvtug.pbz>

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, James E. Lang wrote:

> How does one go about editing a trigger other than by depopulating it,
> deleting it, creating a new one, and populating the new one? Then there is
> the issue of getting the triggers in the proper order after such a change.

mulberry creates a .mulberry directory for it's configs. I haven't looked to see 
what format the files are in, but from a comment on the list yesterday they are 
editable, which implies text. you may be able to define and order the rules 
there.

it's not a gui, but for the number and types of rules that you are trying to do 
it may be better.

David Lang

From rick at activeservice.co.uk  Mon Mar 16 14:03:50 2009
From: rick at activeservice.co.uk (Rick Jones)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:03:50 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <A30BCAD6045BAC9503A79A21@red-rover>
References: <A30BCAD6045BAC9503A79A21@red-rover>
Message-ID: <BC7F0F47D46527C737B1EB4D@dad>

I'm also using the Linux build, and there a quite a few inconsistencies - 
annoying but I can manage to live with them :-/

The Meta key is a bit schizophrenic. For some things Alt works (e.g. Alt-W 
for close), for some Ctrl works (e.g. hold Ctrl while clicking the Reply 
button). I haven't actually found the Win key works for anything though.

At some point I shall grab the source code and try some debugging.

-- 
Cheers
Rick

--On Sunday, March 15, 2009 18:50:19 -0700 "James E. Lang" <jelly at lang.hm> 
wrote:

? I am using Mulberry Mail (Mulberry) 4.0.8 on Kubuntu 8.10.
?
? Some menu items show keyboard shortcuts that make use of a key called 
Meta
? (e.g. Close Meta-W). The Mulberry Reference Guide v4 for Linux shows the
? keyboard shortcuts as involving Ctrl instead. I have not found an 
instance
? in which Ctrl works but I have found that some but not all of the time
? "Win" does work. I don't understand.
?
?
? --
? Jim
?
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From shiva at sewingwitch.com  Mon Mar 16 14:41:37 2009
From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:41:37 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <A30BCAD6045BAC9503A79A21@red-rover>
References: <A30BCAD6045BAC9503A79A21@red-rover>
Message-ID: <4C0422083623CC7B9E6C8DB8@[10.0.0.199]>

--On Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:50 PM -0700 "James E. Lang" <jelly at lang.hm> 
wrote:

> Some menu items show keyboard shortcuts that make use of a key called
> Meta (e.g. Close Meta-W). The Mulberry Reference Guide v4 for Linux shows
> the keyboard shortcuts as involving Ctrl instead. I have not found an
> instance in which Ctrl works but I have found that some but not all of
> the time "Win" does work. I don't understand.

History of the "Meta" key:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_key>

Here's some photos of the Space Cadet keyboard that had an actual Meta key:

<http://world.std.com/~jdostale/kbd/SpaceCadet.html>

(That's from the 70's.)



From pschmehl_lists at tx.rr.com  Mon Mar 16 14:52:49 2009
From: pschmehl_lists at tx.rr.com (Paul Schmehl)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:52:49 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <BC7F0F47D46527C737B1EB4D@dad>
References: <A30BCAD6045BAC9503A79A21@red-rover> <BC7F0F47D46527C737B1EB4D@dad>
Message-ID: <3270F7BE31FB5D371E122CF0@utd65257.utdallas.edu>

--On Monday, March 16, 2009 13:03:50 -0500 Rick Jones 
<rick at activeservice.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm also using the Linux build, and there a quite a few inconsistencies -
> annoying but I can manage to live with them :-/
>
> The Meta key is a bit schizophrenic. For some things Alt works (e.g. Alt-W
> for close), for some Ctrl works (e.g. hold Ctrl while clicking the Reply
> button). I haven't actually found the Win key works for anything though.
>
> At some point I shall grab the source code and try some debugging.

I'm running the LInux version of Mulberry under emulation on FreeBSD.  On my 
workstation

Win+s sets the read/unread flag
Win+r launches a reply
Win+f launches a forward
Win+d deletes/undeletes a message
Win+e expunges the mailbox you are in
Win+n goes to the next message
Win+p goes to the previous message
Win+i sets/unsets the importance flag
Win+y launches a message search

That's just a brief summary.

-- 
Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
are my own and not those of my employer.
*******************************************
Check the headers before clicking on Reply.


From rick at activeservice.co.uk  Mon Mar 16 20:11:22 2009
From: rick at activeservice.co.uk (Rick Jones)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:11:22 +0000
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <3270F7BE31FB5D371E122CF0@utd65257.utdallas.edu>
References: <A30BCAD6045BAC9503A79A21@red-rover> <BC7F0F47D46527C737B1EB4D@dad>
	<3270F7BE31FB5D371E122CF0@utd65257.utdallas.edu>
Message-ID: <B6E22BCFD852701F5E603E3C@dad>

--On Monday, March 16, 2009 18:52:49 +0000 Paul Schmehl 
<pschmehl_lists at tx.rr.com> wrote:

? I'm running the LInux version of Mulberry under emulation on FreeBSD.  On
? my workstation
?
? Win+s sets the read/unread flag
? Win+r launches a reply
? Win+f launches a forward
? Win+d deletes/undeletes a message
? Win+e expunges the mailbox you are in
? Win+n goes to the next message
? Win+p goes to the previous message
? Win+i sets/unsets the importance flag
? Win+y launches a message search

For me those keys work without any modifier, e.g. just r launches reply, d 
deletes, etc. 
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From jelly at lang.hm  Tue Mar 17 00:03:11 2009
From: jelly at lang.hm (James E. Lang)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:03:11 -0700
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Filtering in the Mulberry Config File (was Re:
 Triggers)
Message-ID: <A8DFB60F73DEDCF784DFA5AF@red-rover>


Mulberry Mail 4.0.8 Kubuntu 8.10.

I'm sorry about the length of this message. It documents what I've learned 
in the past 8 hours about the Filtering entries in the Mulberry 
configuration file. I have tried to avoid errors of fact without a warning 
that I'm uncertain about a particular thing.

As someone said, editing the Mulberry configuration file is "not for the 
faint of heart." I am not at all comfortable with using editor vi for this 
task but it appears that my favorite graphical editor (the KDE Advanced 
Text Editor -- kate for short) can't edit a file in a hidden directory. I 
may have to terminate Mulberry, save the configuration file 
(.mulberry/preferences.mbp), copy it out of the hidden directory, edit it, 
put it back into the hidden directory, and restart Mulberry. ... My first 
attempt to do this was a success. WOW!

Mulberry reads the configuration file when it starts and writes it when it 
terminates in a normal manner. There may be another way to get Mulberry to 
read or write the file. I don't know. At present, my copy of this file 
contains about 360 lines. It appears to contain all the configuration 
information for Mulberry including 36 of my multitude of mailboxes, 25 
Rules (hereafter more accurately called Filters), and 6 Triggers (hereafter 
more accurately called Triggering Rules). Most values that contain a space 
or are a null string and are in the quoted string of parameters must be 
enclosed within a pair of escaped double quotes (\").

Here, as examples, are two of my Filters edited only for privacy. Each is a 
single line in the configuration file. That line begins with 
"Preferences.Rules.Local Filters." which is followed by a sequence number, 
an equal sign, and a quoted string that contains the 8 parameters that are 
described below the examples.

Preferences.Rules.Local Filters.1="Mulberry \"Rule Name\" false false (FROM 
user at domain) ((Alert \"Mail from so and so\")(\"Move Message\" \"IMAP:full 
mailbox name\")(Expunge)) \"\" true"

Preferences.Rules.Local Filters.2="Mulberry \"self addressed spam\" false 
false (LPAREN OR FROM <user1 at domain1> OR FROM <user2 at domain1> OR FROM 
<user3 at domain1> OR FROM <user4 at domain1> FROM <user5 at domain2> RPAREN LPAREN 
OR TO <user1 at domain1> OR TO <user2 at domain1> OR TO <user3 at domain1> OR TO 
<user4 at domain1> TO <user5 at domain2> RPAREN NOT SUBJECT \"testing password\" 
NOT TEXT \"specific header label:\") ((\"Flag Mailbox\" (Deleted) true)) 
\"\" true"

  1) The word Mulberry. I don't know the significance of this parameter. It 
may be a signature or it may distinguish a Local Rule from a Sieve Rule or 
it may be something totally different.

  2) The name of the Rule or Filter.

  3) false in every instance I have seen. I don't know the significance of 
this.

  4) false in every instance I have seen. I also don't know the 
significance of this.

  5) This parameter is enclosed in parentheses. It consists of a space 
delimited list of conditions to be tested. It appears that if OR is not 
present before a pair of conditions, then both conditions must be true. The 
precedence of AND and OR is still a mystery to me though this usage of OR 
implies (to me at least) that reverse polish notation is used and thus 
conditions are tested from right to left using the logical connector that 
precedes the left most condition in the test. LPAREN and RPAREN are used to 
enclose a group of conditions that are to be tested as a unit before being 
combined with any other condition result.

  6) This parameter is also enclosed in parentheses. It consists of a set 
of actions each of which is enclosed in a subsidiary pair of parentheses. I 
see no space between these actions. Since parentheses surround each action 
I see no need for escaped double quotes in this parameter.

  7) \"\" in every instance I have seen. Once again I don't know the 
significance of this.

  8) true = Stop if matched. false = Continue though matched.

Each of the following 4 Triggering Rules specifies under what conditions 
and in what order the Filters are to be invoked. These four have been 
edited only for privacy. Again, each is a single line in the configuration 
file. They begin with "Preferences.Rules.Local Targets."which is followed 
by a sequence number, an equal sign, and a quoted string that contains 5 
parameters which are described below the examples.

Preferences.Rules.Local Targets.1="true \"All incoming mail\" () Incoming 
((Cabinet #0))"
Preferences.Rules.Local Targets.2="true \"When opening a mailbox\" () 
Incoming ((All))"
Preferences.Rules.Local Targets.3="true \"Selected incoming\" (\"Rule 
Name1\" \"Rule Name2\") Incoming ((Mailbox IMAP:INBOX))"
Preferences.Rules.Local Targets.4="true \"Last things last\" (\"self 
addressed spam\" \"Rule Name2\") Incoming ((Mailbox IMAP:INBOX))"

  1) true = The Triggering Rule is enabled. false = It is disabled.

  2) The name of this Triggering Rule.

  3) A parentheses enclosed list of Filter names that are processed 
according to this Triggering Rule.

  4) The triggering event that invokes these Filters. It can be any of five 
things.

    4.1) Never -- I'm not sure why this setting would ever be used since 
the whole Triggering Rule can be disabled anyway by the first parameter.

    4.2) Incoming -- When Mulberry starts all unread messages in a Target 
are considered to be covered by this Trigger. When a new message arrives in 
a Target during a Mulberry session, it is also covered by this Trigger.

    4.3) Open -- I am guessing that this is the value of this parameter 
when the Trigger is the opening of a Target.

    4.4) Close -- I am again guessing that this is the value of this 
parameter when the Trigger is the closing of a Target.

    4.5) Always -- So what is the event? I don't know.

  5) A space delimited list of Targets on which the triggering event takes 
place. This list is enclosed in parentheses. Each Target can take any of 
five forms.

    5.1) None -- I'm not sure when this would be used either.

    5.2) Cabinet -- This specifies that when the triggering event occurs 
within a specified cabinet then the Filters are to be invoked. The one 
instance of this parameter that I have seen was Cabinet #0 in the default 
"All incoming mail" Triggering Rule. I'm not sure why this only seems to 
apply to Mailbox IMAP:INBOX.

    5.3) Mailbox -- This specifies that when the triggering event occurs in 
a specific mailbox then the Filters are to be invoked. This takes the form 
"Mailbox \"IMAP:full mailbox name\""

    5.4) Account -- I think that this specifies that when the triggering 
event occurs in any mailbox belonging to the specified Account then the 
Filters are to be invoked. I assume that the form of this is "Account 
Accountname" but I don't know.

    5.5) All -- If the triggering event occurs in any mailbox then the 
Filters are to be invoked.

As far as I can tell, the Triggering Rules are processed one after the 
other in sequence with each Filter that is specified by a Triggering Rule 
being processed one after the other from left to right.

Note: I do NOT recommend CREATING new Filters or Triggering Rules by 
editing but I certainly do recommend that consideration be given to editing 
this file to attach new Filters to the appropriate Triggering Rule(s) in 
the sequence that you want. Combining the two techniques can make for a 
powerful way to get things done.

As a side note, I found no way for a Filter to test for the absence of a 
specific header label within the headers of a message. This is a minor 
inconvenience to me.

Thanks to each who has taken part in this exercise. I know that I have 
learned a lot already. I will welcome any information that fills in the 
gaps in my understanding of this topic. I have not found such information 
in the documentation that I have seen.

--On Monday, March 16, 2009 09:07:10 AM -0700 David Lang 
<david.lang at digitalinsight.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, James E. Lang wrote:
>
>> How does one go about editing a trigger other than by depopulating it,
>> deleting it, creating a new one, and populating the new one? Then there
>> is the issue of getting the triggers in the proper order after such a
>> change.
>
> mulberry creates a .mulberry directory for it's configs. I haven't looked
> to see what format the files are in, but from a comment on the list
> yesterday they are editable, which implies text. you may be able to
> define and order the rules there.
>
> it's not a gui, but for the number and types of rules that you are trying
> to do it may be better.

-- 
Jim




From palulio at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 00:26:51 2009
From: palulio at gmail.com (Pat Alulio)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:26:51 -0400
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] password
Message-ID: <49CDA70B.7040601@gmail.com>

Where and how do I input the account password
I can't connect to gmail imap
It must be because I never entered a password
but I can't find anywhere to input the password
thanks
Pat

From davidbo at kth.se  Mon Mar 23 17:35:57 2009
From: davidbo at kth.se (david)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:35:57 +0100
Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] IMAP problem
In-Reply-To: <C13AE6D29B2BCC650EEE1FE7@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local>
References: <C13AE6D29B2BCC650EEE1FE7@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local>
Message-ID: <9592A942BC6676158CAFAF74@mbp.local>

--On 2009-03-15 13.25 +0100 "Dr. Steven P. Frysinger" <frysinsp at jmu.edu> 
wrote:

> BTW, you might suggest just using Mulberry version 4 - but the OS X
> version  4 still has the problem of dropping the connection several times
> an hour -  very inconvenient. Otherwise I'd love to switch b/c I'm tired
> of version  3's short filename restriction.

I don't have that problem, connecting to 3 different IMAP-servers (UW, 
Cyrus and Exchange).

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