From F.von-Prondzynski at dcu.ie Wed Jan 6 11:40:29 2010 From: F.von-Prondzynski at dcu.ie (Ferdinand von Prondzynski) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:40:29 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Reading forwarded messages Message-ID: I wonder if anyone knows the answer to this. I have recently moved from Mulberry 4.0.6 to 4.0.8, and for various boring reasons had to dump all my previous preferences. I have re-assembled everything, but one thing isn't working for me. When someone forwards me a message where the forwarded message is embedded in their own, in the past I could expand the parts section and click on the forwarded message and it would open up separately, with its own headers etc. Now when I expand the parts it just comes up as 'text', and while I can click on it it doesn't open up with headers, but just as a text window. Can I fix this? Many thanks for any help! Ferdinand von Prondzynski From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Wed Jan 6 11:44:25 2010 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:44:25 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Reading forwarded messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hallo, --On 6. Januar 2010 16:40:29 +0000 Ferdinand von Prondzynski wrote: > When someone forwards me a message where the forwarded message is > embedded in their own, in the past I could expand the parts section and > click on the forwarded message and it would open up separately, with its > own headers etc. Now when I expand the parts it just comes up as 'text', > and while I can click on it it doesn't open up with headers, but just as > a text window. Can I fix this? you need to toggle the widget next to the Parts: label, the lone that looks like a tree structure. It has to read "Content-Type (Hierarchic)" instead of "Content-Type (Flat)". -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:. .:.Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK).:. .:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5292 bytes Desc: not available URL: From K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 11:56:09 2010 From: K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk (Keith R Hallam) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked Message-ID: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> System: Windows 7 64-bit Mulberry 4.0.8 [tweaked version to suit our University defaults, etc; eg no visible calendar function] Attachments cannot be opened by double-clicking. If I right-click and save them to a folder and then answer positively to the question asking if I want to open the file, then they are OK. But double-clicking - that should open them in the appropriate application - instead opens the application, which then displays its own version of a 'file not found' error message. This applies to Word, Acrobat Reader, Notepad, etc, etc. It is as if Mulberry knows which programme to use for the attachment but then tells the application to go and look in the wrong place. Any ideas? Keith ps Apologies in case of multiple posting. I tried sending a version of this question before completing registration but presume that message didn't get forwarded to the list. -- Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac From mailinglists at nierenschaden.de Wed Jan 6 12:18:47 2010 From: mailinglists at nierenschaden.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Jens_D=C3=B6nhoff?=) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:18:47 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Keith, even though I don't have any experience with the latest Mulberry-clients under Windows, and don't know whether this will lead anywhere, could you right-click on the attachment, open the "Details..." window, and post the "Open with" command displayed there? Perhaps there's a hint why the programs are not working? Greetings, Jens From F.von-Prondzynski at dcu.ie Wed Jan 6 12:43:09 2010 From: F.von-Prondzynski at dcu.ie (Ferdinand von Prondzynski) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:43:09 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Reading forwarded messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, that's perfect, very much appreciated! Ich hoffe das Wetter in K?ln ist besser als hier zur Zeit in Irland! Mit freundlichen Gr??en Ferdinand From K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 12:52:58 2010 From: K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk (Keith R Hallam) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:52:58 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Hi Jens Here is just one example: ....... Name: UKSAF Jan 2010 Provisional Programme.doc Type: application/msword Encoding: base64 ID: Disposition: attachment Description: Parameters: ="UKSAF Jan 2010 Provisional Programme.doc" Open with: WINWORD.EXE ........ A pdf example is similar, but for Disposition: inline and Open with: AcroRd32.exe In all cases, though, the correct application opens, but then fails to find the file. Thanks Keith --On 06 January 2010 18:18 +0100 Jens D?nhoff wrote: > Hi Keith, > > even though I don't have any experience with the latest Mulberry-clients > under Windows, and don't know whether this will lead anywhere, could you > right-click on the attachment, open the "Details..." window, and post the > "Open with" command displayed there? Perhaps there's a hint why the > programs are not working? > > Greetings, > > Jens -- Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac From joel at columbia.edu Wed Jan 6 14:47:58 2010 From: joel at columbia.edu (Joel Rosenblatt) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:47:58 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> Hi, Do you see the temporary files in this directory? C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Cyrusoft\Mulberry\Temporary Files\View Attachments If not, you may just want to try and re-install Mulberry. IHTH Joel Rosenblatt Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 http://www.columbia.edu/~joel --On Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:52 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam wrote: > Hi Jens > > Here is just one example: > > ....... > Name: UKSAF Jan 2010 Provisional Programme.doc > Type: application/msword > Encoding: base64 > ID: > Disposition: attachment > Description: > Parameters: ="UKSAF Jan 2010 Provisional Programme.doc" > Open with: WINWORD.EXE > ........ > > A pdf example is similar, but for Disposition: inline and Open with: AcroRd32.exe > > In all cases, though, the correct application opens, but then fails to find the file. > > Thanks > > Keith > > --On 06 January 2010 18:18 +0100 Jens D?nhoff wrote: > >> Hi Keith, >> >> even though I don't have any experience with the latest Mulberry-clients >> under Windows, and don't know whether this will lead anywhere, could you >> right-click on the attachment, open the "Details..." window, and post the >> "Open with" command displayed there? Perhaps there's a hint why the >> programs are not working? >> >> Greetings, >> >> Jens > > -- > Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) > University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, > Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England > Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk > Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac > Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 http://www.columbia.edu/~joel From K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 11:34:47 2010 From: K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk (Keith R Hallam) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:34:47 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Hi Well, I have a folder - C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Cyrusoft\Mulberry\Temporary Files This didn't have the \View Attachments subfolder. Just creating one [while leaving Mulberry open] and trying again to open attachments made no difference. Reinstalling Mulberry hasn't made any difference to the behaviour. Meanwhile, trying to open a ppt file example, PowerPoint has shown me a full address of the file it cannot find [Word and Notepad had chopped out much of the folder structure]: C:\Program Files (x86)\Mulberry 4\Temporary Files\View Attachments\file_name.ppt My C:\Program Files (x86)\Mulberry 4 folder didn't have the \Temporary Files\View Attachments subfolders. Creating them made no difference [again, without actually closing and restarting Mulberry, since I was halfway through this e-mail]. I have just noticed that .jpg files open in Windows Photo Viewer by just double-clicking, even when they are in the same e-mail alongside a .ppt attachment that won't open. Keith --On 06 January 2010 14:47 -0500 Joel Rosenblatt wrote: > Hi, > > Do you see the temporary files in this directory? > > C:\Documents and Settings\\Application > Data\Cyrusoft\Mulberry\Temporary Files\View Attachments > > If not, you may just want to try and re-install Mulberry. > > IHTH > > Joel Rosenblatt > > Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security > Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) > Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 > http://www.columbia.edu/~joel > > > --On Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:52 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam > wrote: > >> Hi Jens >> >> Here is just one example: >> >> ....... >> Name: UKSAF Jan 2010 Provisional Programme.doc >> Type: application/msword >> Encoding: base64 >> ID: >> Disposition: attachment >> Description: >> Parameters: ="UKSAF Jan 2010 Provisional Programme.doc" >> Open with: WINWORD.EXE >> ........ >> >> A pdf example is similar, but for Disposition: inline and Open with: >> AcroRd32.exe >> >> In all cases, though, the correct application opens, but then fails to >> find the file. >> >> Thanks >> >> Keith >> >> --On 06 January 2010 18:18 +0100 Jens D?nhoff >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Keith, >>> >>> even though I don't have any experience with the latest Mulberry-clients >>> under Windows, and don't know whether this will lead anywhere, could you >>> right-click on the attachment, open the "Details..." window, and post >>> the "Open with" command displayed there? Perhaps there's a hint why the >>> programs are not working? >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Jens >> >> -- >> Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) >> University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, >> Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England >> Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk >> Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac >> > > > > Joel Rosenblatt, Manager Network & Computer Security > Columbia Information Security Office (CISO) > Columbia University, 612 W 115th Street, NY, NY 10025 / 212 854 3033 > http://www.columbia.edu/~joel > -- Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac From shiva at sewingwitch.com Thu Jan 7 12:43:28 2010 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:43:28 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> --On Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:34 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam wrote: > I have just noticed that .jpg files open in Windows Photo Viewer by just > double-clicking, even when they are in the same e-mail alongside a .ppt > attachment that won't open. Perhaps the files are being saved to a strange place. Try searching the whole drive for the file's name. From K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 13:53:58 2010 From: K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk (Keith R Hallam) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:53:58 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> Message-ID: Aha - I think we are getting somewhere. Once I double-click on an attachment, a copy appears in the folder: C:\Users\phkrh.UOB\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Mulberry 4\Temporary Files\View Attachments The .jpg image files that *do* open on double-clicking are also visible in this folder. But, as in an earlier message, we know that at least Office and Abobe Reader are looking in folders along the lines of: C:\Program Files (x86)\Mulberry 4\Temporary Files\View Attachments\ [All assuming that these are 'real' folder locations - remember, the OS is Windows 7 [64-bit].] So, there is that \Users\phkrh.UOB\AppData\Local\VirtualStore difference seemingly to overcome. Thank you everyone for helping with this problem Keith --On 07 January 2010 09:43 -0800 Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:34 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam > wrote: > >> I have just noticed that .jpg files open in Windows Photo Viewer by just >> double-clicking, even when they are in the same e-mail alongside a .ppt >> attachment that won't open. > > Perhaps the files are being saved to a strange place. Try searching the > whole drive for the file's name. -- Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac From shiva at sewingwitch.com Thu Jan 7 14:49:17 2010 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:49:17 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> Message-ID: --On Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:53 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam wrote: > So, there is that \Users\phkrh.UOB\AppData\Local\VirtualStore difference > seemingly to overcome. Check out: From shiva at sewingwitch.com Thu Jan 7 16:00:40 2010 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:00:40 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: <5B0225E5661B2F98CA897B44@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> <5B0225E5661B2F98CA897B44@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: --On Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:48 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam wrote: > ps I wonder why our Computer Centre Help Desk haven't hit this problem? > [Mulberry is the approved e-mail prog and others must surely have tried > it out in Win7...]. I haven't looked at the code yet but I'm guessing it looks at your temp file settings to decide where to store the file for other apps to find. What does your TEMP environment variable look like? Or is it perhaps not set? (That would break some things, though.) Try typing "set" at a command prompt to see all environment variables. From K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 15:48:34 2010 From: K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk (Keith R Hallam) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:48:34 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> Message-ID: <5B0225E5661B2F98CA897B44@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> I followed the part that said: > Just Right Click on the Icon for the program or it's shortcut and go to > Properties. On the Compatibility tab at the bottom is a check box to > select to Run as Administrator. There is also an option at the top to > run it in a mode from a prior operating system. I would recommend also > setting this to XP service pack 2 mode. Forced me to enter an admin username/password combo to run the prog [annoying] but then the pdf, doc, etc files opened correctly. Huzzah! However, the jpg files *stopped* working. Boo! Weird. Keith ps I wonder why our Computer Centre Help Desk haven't hit this problem? [Mulberry is the approved e-mail prog and others must surely have tried it out in Win7...]. --On 07 January 2010 11:49 -0800 Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:53 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam > wrote: > >> So, there is that \Users\phkrh.UOB\AppData\Local\VirtualStore difference >> seemingly to overcome. > > Check out: > > b7-d7c6-4d77-8b4c-11d5892b7218> > > -- Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac From K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 16:57:43 2010 From: K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk (Keith R Hallam) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:57:43 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> <5B0225E5661B2F98CA897B44@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Kenneth ........ Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600] Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Windows\system32>set ALLUSERSPROFILE=C:\ProgramData APPDATA=C:\Users\phkrh\AppData\Roaming CommonProgramFiles=C:\Program Files\Common Files CommonProgramFiles(x86)=C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files CommonProgramW6432=C:\Program Files\Common Files COMPUTERNAME=IFAC-COBALT ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe FP_NO_HOST_CHECK=NO LOCALAPPDATA=C:\Users\phkrh\AppData\Local NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=2 OS=Windows_NT Path=C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32 \WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\ PATHEXT=.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH;.MSC PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE=AMD64 PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER=Intel64 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 3, GenuineIntel PROCESSOR_LEVEL=15 PROCESSOR_REVISION=0403 ProgramData=C:\ProgramData ProgramFiles=C:\Program Files ProgramFiles(x86)=C:\Program Files (x86) ProgramW6432=C:\Program Files PROMPT=$P$G PSModulePath=C:\Windows\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\Modules\ PUBLIC=C:\Users\Public SystemDrive=C: SystemRoot=C:\Windows TEMP=C:\Users\phkrh\AppData\Local\Temp TMP=C:\Users\phkrh\AppData\Local\Temp USERDOMAIN=ifac-cobalt USERNAME=phkrh USERPROFILE=C:\Users\phkrh windir=C:\Windows C:\Windows\system32> ........ Keith --On 07 January 2010 13:00 -0800 Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:48 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam > wrote: > >> ps I wonder why our Computer Centre Help Desk haven't hit this problem? >> [Mulberry is the approved e-mail prog and others must surely have tried >> it out in Win7...]. > > I haven't looked at the code yet but I'm guessing it looks at your temp > file settings to decide where to store the file for other apps to find. > What does your TEMP environment variable look like? Or is it perhaps not > set? (That would break some things, though.) Try typing "set" at a > command prompt to see all environment variables. > > -- Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac From shiva at sewingwitch.com Thu Jan 7 17:07:59 2010 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:07:59 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> <5B0225E5661B2F98CA897B44@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: --On Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:57 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam wrote: > TEMP=C:\Users\phkrh\AppData\Local\Temp That's the one I was thinking of, and it's pointing at a reasonable place. So it sounds like the logic Mulberry is using to pick a location is wrong. From frysinsp at jmu.edu Mon Jan 11 16:28:10 2010 From: frysinsp at jmu.edu (Dr. Steven P. Frysinger) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:28:10 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between Message-ID: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> Can someone remind me why, on my Mac, when I save an email message there is an extra character in between each character in the message? (E.g. when I then copy/paste from TextEdit into Word I see boxes in between each character.) Thanks! Steve ******************************************** Steven P. Frysinger, Ph.D. Professor, Integrated Science and Technology Program Computer Science Program Director, Environmental Information Systems Program Environmental Management Program Center for Environment, Health and Safety James Madison University College of Integrated Science and Technology ISAT/CS Room 309 800 South Main Street - MSC 4102 Harrisonburg, Virginia 22807 United States of America Tel: 540/568-2710 Fax: 540/568-2768 Net: frysinsp at jmu.edu Web: http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/frysinger.html --------------------- Gastprofessor, Fakult?t f?r Ingenieurwissenschaften Environmental Informatics Group (EIG) Hochschule f?r Technik und Wirtschaft (HTW) des Saarlandes Goebenstra?e 40 66117 Saarbr?cken Germany Cell: +49 (0)175 955 2303 Tel: +49 (0)681 876 5665 Net: Steven.Frysinger at enviromatics.net From shiva at sewingwitch.com Mon Jan 11 17:03:36 2010 From: shiva at sewingwitch.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:03:36 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between In-Reply-To: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> References: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> Message-ID: --On Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 PM -0500 "Dr. Steven P. Frysinger" wrote: > Can someone remind me why, on my Mac, when I save an email message there > is an extra character in between each character in the message? (E.g. > when I then copy/paste from TextEdit into Word I see boxes in between > each character.) That sounds like a mismatch between each app's assumptions about wide character or Unicode encoding. Word must be assuming 8 bit chars and whatever's in the copy buffer is in 16 bit. Does this happen between Mulberry and other apps, or between Word and other apps? (So we can isolate which app is doing the Wrong Thing with the copy buffer.) From frysinsp at jmu.edu Mon Jan 11 18:32:12 2010 From: frysinsp at jmu.edu (Dr. Steven P. Frysinger) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:32:12 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between Message-ID: <098253D1825B9D509A6FADDF@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> The way I notice it is when I save a mail message to a text file, then open the file in TextEdit to copy part or all into something else. Given what you said I thought maybe the problem was with TextEdit. So I went into its Preferences and found it set to Unicode-8, but changing it to Unicode-16 doesn't seem to help. It's even a problem when I paste back into Mulberry. When I paste back into Mulberry it LOOKS okay, but Mulberry doesn't see it. (E.g. I just did a trial where the whole message was pasted in, and Mulberry warned me that I was trying to send a message with no contents - even though I could see the text in the Mulberry screen. Another clue: the problem is only with the message body, not the header information (addresses and such). That makes me think it's somewhere in Mulberry. Thanks! Steve --On January 11, 2010 2:03:36 PM -0800 Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 PM -0500 "Dr. Steven P. Frysinger" > wrote: > >> Can someone remind me why, on my Mac, when I save an email message there >> is an extra character in between each character in the message? (E.g. >> when I then copy/paste from TextEdit into Word I see boxes in between >> each character.) > > That sounds like a mismatch between each app's assumptions about wide > character or Unicode encoding. Word must be assuming 8 bit chars and > whatever's in the copy buffer is in 16 bit. Does this happen between > Mulberry and other apps, or between Word and other apps? (So we can > isolate which app is doing the Wrong Thing with the copy buffer.) > > ******************************************** Steven P. Frysinger, Ph.D. Professor, Integrated Science and Technology Program Computer Science Program Director, Environmental Information Systems Program Environmental Management Program Center for Environment, Health and Safety James Madison University College of Integrated Science and Technology ISAT/CS Room 309 800 South Main Street - MSC 4102 Harrisonburg, Virginia 22807 United States of America Tel: 540/568-2710 Fax: 540/568-2768 Net: frysinsp at jmu.edu Web: http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/frysinger.html --------------------- Gastprofessor, Fakult?t f?r Ingenieurwissenschaften Environmental Informatics Group (EIG) Hochschule f?r Technik und Wirtschaft (HTW) des Saarlandes Goebenstra?e 40 66117 Saarbr?cken Germany Cell: +49 (0)175 955 2303 Tel: +49 (0)681 876 5665 Net: Steven.Frysinger at enviromatics.net From frysinsp at jmu.edu Mon Jan 11 18:31:54 2010 From: frysinsp at jmu.edu (Dr. Steven P. Frysinger) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:31:54 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between In-Reply-To: References: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> Message-ID: <436E66720D7FE3BAFDFE1D6A@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> The way I notice it is when I save a mail message to a text file, then open the file in TextEdit to copy part or all into something else. Given what you said I thought maybe the problem was with TextEdit. So I went into its Preferences and found it set to Unicode-8, but changing it to Unicode-16 doesn't seem to help. It's even a problem when I paste back into Mulberry. When I paste back into Mulberry it LOOKS okay, but Mulberry doesn't see it. (E.g. I just did a trial where the whole message was pasted in, and Mulberry warned me that I was trying to send a message with no contents - even though I could see the text in the Mulberry screen. Another clue: the problem is only with the message body, not the header information (addresses and such). That makes me think it's somewhere in Mulberry. Thanks! Steve --On January 11, 2010 2:03:36 PM -0800 Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Monday, January 11, 2010 4:28 PM -0500 "Dr. Steven P. Frysinger" > wrote: > >> Can someone remind me why, on my Mac, when I save an email message there >> is an extra character in between each character in the message? (E.g. >> when I then copy/paste from TextEdit into Word I see boxes in between >> each character.) > > That sounds like a mismatch between each app's assumptions about wide > character or Unicode encoding. Word must be assuming 8 bit chars and > whatever's in the copy buffer is in 16 bit. Does this happen between > Mulberry and other apps, or between Word and other apps? (So we can > isolate which app is doing the Wrong Thing with the copy buffer.) > > ******************************************** Steven P. Frysinger, Ph.D. Professor, Integrated Science and Technology Program Computer Science Program Director, Environmental Information Systems Program Environmental Management Program Center for Environment, Health and Safety James Madison University College of Integrated Science and Technology ISAT/CS Room 309 800 South Main Street - MSC 4102 Harrisonburg, Virginia 22807 United States of America Tel: 540/568-2710 Fax: 540/568-2768 Net: frysinsp at jmu.edu Web: http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/frysinger.html --------------------- Gastprofessor, Fakult?t f?r Ingenieurwissenschaften Environmental Informatics Group (EIG) Hochschule f?r Technik und Wirtschaft (HTW) des Saarlandes Goebenstra?e 40 66117 Saarbr?cken Germany Cell: +49 (0)175 955 2303 Tel: +49 (0)681 876 5665 Net: Steven.Frysinger at enviromatics.net From brian at reid.org Mon Jan 11 22:50:29 2010 From: brian at reid.org (Brian Reid) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:50:29 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between In-Reply-To: <436E66720D7FE3BAFDFE1D6A@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> References: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <436E66720D7FE3BAFDFE1D6A@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> Message-ID: <56C246F401780A6E46F86F19@rutabook.waverley.reid.org> I've spent a lot of time tracking down this problem. I believe I understand it. The effect that you see is because Mulberry has received the message in 16-bit characters while your mailbox had it in 8-bit characters. When you do a "Save" in Mulberry it saves what it has, which is 16-bit characters. I believe that anybody can re-create this bug as follows: 1) Receive a mail message that does not contain a declaration of its character set (no "Content-Type:" declaration) 2) Use the University of Washington IMAP server 3) Use Mulberry as an IMAP client. When Mulberry and uw-imapd are negotiating the transfer of the message, the character set appears to default to UTF-16 (it quite obviously defaults to something-16). So Mulberry asks for the message body in UTF-16 and uw-imapd happily obliges. The next time this happens to you, look in the headers of the message for a Content-Type declaration. I predict you won't find one. This could be fixed in imapd or this could be fixed in Mulberry. I'm not enough of an expert on the IMAP protocol to know what it says ought to happen here. Thunderbird does not do this on uw-imap (it defaults to UTF-8 on such messages) and the last time I looked, Courier and Dovecot did not do this when accessed with Mulberry. From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de Tue Jan 12 01:32:55 2010 From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:32:55 +0100 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between In-Reply-To: <56C246F401780A6E46F86F19@rutabook.waverley.reid.org> References: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <436E66720D7FE3BAFDFE1D6A@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <56C246F401780A6E46F86F19@rutabook.waverley.reid.org> Message-ID: -- Brian Reid is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Januar 2010 19:50:29 -0800 regarding Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between: > I've spent a lot of time tracking down this problem. I believe I > understand it. > > The effect that you see is because Mulberry has received the message in > 16-bit characters while your mailbox had it in 8-bit characters. When > you do a "Save" in Mulberry it saves what it has, which is 16-bit > characters. > > I believe that anybody can re-create this bug as follows: > > 1) Receive a mail message that does not contain a declaration of its > character set (no "Content-Type:" declaration) > > 2) Use the University of Washington IMAP server > > 3) Use Mulberry as an IMAP client. > > When Mulberry and uw-imapd are negotiating the transfer of the message, > the character set appears to default to UTF-16 (it quite obviously > defaults to something-16). So Mulberry asks for the message body in > UTF-16 and uw-imapd happily obliges. > > The next time this happens to you, look in the headers of the message for > a Content-Type declaration. I predict you won't find one. > > This could be fixed in imapd or this could be fixed in Mulberry. I'm not > enough of an expert on the IMAP protocol to know what it says ought to > happen here. > > Thunderbird does not do this on uw-imap (it defaults to UTF-8 on such > messages) and the last time I looked, Courier and Dovecot did not do this > when accessed with Mulberry. While the rest of your analysis may be correct, I'm pretty sure one aspect isn't: there is no character set negotiation between client and server. The client receives the message from the server as a sequence of bytes. How it interprets those bytes depends (as you wrote) on the Content-Type etc. But the server is not involved at all. So it doesn't matter which IMAP server you're using, and the problem can't be fixed on the server side. -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK) Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5292 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brian at reid.org Tue Jan 12 01:42:46 2010 From: brian at reid.org (Brian Reid) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:42:46 -0800 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between In-Reply-To: References: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <436E66720D7FE3BAFDFE1D6A@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <56C246F401780A6E46F86F19@rutabook.waverley.reid.org> Message-ID: <758558D0F8FF79CB717E594F@visible-trout.waverley.reid.org> It has been more than a year since I looked at this, and I don't have my notes in front of me, but my recollection is that a tcpdump of IMAP traffic saw 8-bit characters on the wire when Mulberry was communicating with Courier and 16-bit characters on the wire when Mulberry was communicating with uw-imapd. And, for me at least, this bug only shows up with uw-imap and on messages that do not have a declared content type. > The client receives the message from the server as a sequence of bytes. How it interprets those bytes depends (as you wrote) on the Content-Type etc. But the server is not involved at all. So it doesn't matter which IMAP server you're using, and the problem can't be fixed on the server side. From frysinsp at jmu.edu Tue Jan 12 10:43:41 2010 From: frysinsp at jmu.edu (Dr. Steven P. Frysinger) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between In-Reply-To: <758558D0F8FF79CB717E594F@visible-trout.waverley.reid.org> References: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <436E66720D7FE3BAFDFE1D6A@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <56C246F401780A6E46F86F19@rutabook.waverley.reid.org> <758558D0F8FF79CB717E594F@visible-trout.waverley.reid.org> Message-ID: Sounds like the bottom line is that it's a feature and there's no immediate fix. Thanks for the input folks! At least I know I'm not doing something wrong. Steve --On January 11, 2010 10:42:46 PM -0800 Brian Reid wrote: > It has been more than a year since I looked at this, and I don't have my > notes in front of me, but my recollection is that a tcpdump of IMAP > traffic saw 8-bit characters on the wire when Mulberry was communicating > with Courier and 16-bit characters on the wire when Mulberry was > communicating with uw-imapd. And, for me at least, this bug only shows up > with uw-imap and on messages that do not have a declared content type. > > >> The client receives the message from the server as a sequence of bytes. >> How it interprets those bytes depends (as you wrote) on the Content-Type >> etc. But the server is not involved at all. So it doesn't matter which >> IMAP server you're using, and the problem can't be fixed on the server >> side. > > ******************************************** Steven P. Frysinger, Ph.D. Professor, Integrated Science and Technology Program Computer Science Program Director, Environmental Information Systems Program Environmental Management Program Center for Environment, Health and Safety James Madison University College of Integrated Science and Technology ISAT/CS Room 309 800 South Main Street - MSC 4102 Harrisonburg, Virginia 22807 United States of America Tel: 540/568-2710 Fax: 540/568-2768 Net: frysinsp at jmu.edu Web: http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/frysinger.html --------------------- Gastprofessor, Fakult?t f?r Ingenieurwissenschaften Environmental Informatics Group (EIG) Hochschule f?r Technik und Wirtschaft (HTW) des Saarlandes Goebenstra?e 40 66117 Saarbr?cken Germany Cell: +49 (0)175 955 2303 Tel: +49 (0)681 876 5665 Net: Steven.Frysinger at enviromatics.net From alex at alex.org.uk Wed Jan 13 05:31:18 2010 From: alex at alex.org.uk (Alex Bligh) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:31:18 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] OS X address book sync Message-ID: <80E79F159C9A36CCD14CDED3@Ximines.local> It would be really nice if when I added a contact to my OS-X address book, the address was available in Mulberry (e.g. for autocompletion). Mulberry needs to be manually prodded into reloading the address book. I used to think I had to quit and restart Mulberry, as the "Synchronize" option was not available under Contacts->OS Address Books->Max OS X. However, if you right click on "OS Address Books" (not "Mac OS X") and hit "Refresh list" (not synchronize) this appears to do the trick. It would be really useful if this was automatic. Or failing that just reread it every 5 minutes or similar. -- Alex Bligh From chaimk at umich.edu Thu Jan 14 08:09:45 2010 From: chaimk at umich.edu (Chaim Kram) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:09:45 +0200 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Characters in between In-Reply-To: References: <08B9CEE5D80B7C26B0383A23@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <436E66720D7FE3BAFDFE1D6A@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> <56C246F401780A6E46F86F19@rutabook.waverley.reid.org> <758558D0F8FF79CB717E594F@visible-trout.waverley.reid.org> Message-ID: --On 12 January 2010 10:43:41 -0500 "Dr. Steven P. Frysinger" wrote: > Sounds like the bottom line is that it's a feature and there's no > immediate fix. Thanks for the input folks! At least I know I'm not doing > something wrong. Nope, I can confirm that it happens to me all the time. Annoying but I guess it's another of Mulberry's "charms" that I've learned to live with. | Chaim Kram | Information & Technology Services | The University of Michigan | chaimk at umich.edu | 734.763.3405 > Steve > > --On January 11, 2010 10:42:46 PM -0800 Brian Reid wrote: > >> It has been more than a year since I looked at this, and I don't have my >> notes in front of me, but my recollection is that a tcpdump of IMAP >> traffic saw 8-bit characters on the wire when Mulberry was communicating >> with Courier and 16-bit characters on the wire when Mulberry was >> communicating with uw-imapd. And, for me at least, this bug only shows up >> with uw-imap and on messages that do not have a declared content type. >> >> >>> The client receives the message from the server as a sequence of bytes. >>> How it interprets those bytes depends (as you wrote) on the Content-Type >>> etc. But the server is not involved at all. So it doesn't matter which >>> IMAP server you're using, and the problem can't be fixed on the server >>> side. >> >> > > > > ******************************************** > Steven P. Frysinger, Ph.D. > > Professor, > Integrated Science and Technology Program > Computer Science Program > Director, > Environmental Information Systems Program > Environmental Management Program > Center for Environment, Health and Safety > James Madison University > College of Integrated Science and Technology > ISAT/CS Room 309 > 800 South Main Street - MSC 4102 > Harrisonburg, Virginia 22807 > United States of America > Tel: 540/568-2710 > Fax: 540/568-2768 > Net: frysinsp at jmu.edu > Web: http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/frysinger.html > > --------------------- > > Gastprofessor, > Fakult?t f?r Ingenieurwissenschaften > Environmental Informatics Group (EIG) > Hochschule f?r Technik und Wirtschaft (HTW) des Saarlandes > Goebenstra?e 40 > 66117 Saarbr?cken > Germany > Cell: +49 (0)175 955 2303 > Tel: +49 (0)681 876 5665 > Net: Steven.Frysinger at enviromatics.net > > > !DSPAM:4b4c989b259897959445649! > > > From K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 23:22:55 2010 From: K.R.Hallam at bristol.ac.uk (Keith R Hallam) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:22:55 +0000 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Attachments not opening when double-clicked In-Reply-To: <5B0225E5661B2F98CA897B44@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> References: <30B0281C2B0EAC8360C4DA90@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <0C2AA8EC04CA347F7902E596@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <625F0B31D075820D0B0D1111@secdesk.columbia.edu> <80A4CB2B1E947324A94F5170@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> <30D0F13EE3A52F24FF2ABC60@[10.170.7.6]> <5B0225E5661B2F98CA897B44@ifac-cobalt.ads.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi everyone I think I've just realised where I was going wrong. After all the discussions and advice, I reverted back to my original configuration as being the lesser of two evils. Just now, while loading up a fresh computer with WinXP I added my domain username to the users of the computer, with administrator rights. That set me thinking... Doing that on my Win7 64-bit pc with the annoying Mulberry I now find that attachments open on double clicking. Simples! Of course, something else might now be wrong but I'm going home while I'm ahead. Cheers Keith --On 07 January 2010 20:48 +0000 Keith R Hallam wrote: > I followed the part that said: > >> Just Right Click on the Icon for the program or it's shortcut and go to >> Properties. On the Compatibility tab at the bottom is a check box to >> select to Run as Administrator. There is also an option at the top to >> run it in a mode from a prior operating system. I would recommend also >> setting this to XP service pack 2 mode. > > Forced me to enter an admin username/password combo to run the prog > [annoying] but then the pdf, doc, etc files opened correctly. Huzzah! > However, the jpg files *stopped* working. Boo! > Weird. > > Keith > > ps I wonder why our Computer Centre Help Desk haven't hit this problem? > [Mulberry is the approved e-mail prog and others must surely have tried > it out in Win7...]. > > --On 07 January 2010 11:49 -0800 Kenneth Porter > wrote: > >> --On Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:53 PM +0000 Keith R Hallam >> wrote: >> >>> So, there is that \Users\phkrh.UOB\AppData\Local\VirtualStore difference >>> seemingly to overcome. >> >> Check out: >> >> > b7-d7c6-4d77-8b4c-11d5892b7218> >> >> > > > > -- > Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) > University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, > Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England > Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk > Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac -- Dr Keith R Hallam (Commercial Manager, IAC) University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121 St Michael's Hill, Bristol BS2 8BS, England Telephone: + 44(0)117 331 1173 | e-mail: k.r.hallam at bristol.ac.uk Facsimile: + 44(0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/iac From frysinsp at jmu.edu Sun Jan 31 17:50:08 2010 From: frysinsp at jmu.edu (Dr. Steven P. Frysinger) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:50:08 -0500 Subject: [Mulberry-discuss] Update? Message-ID: <63993F25D1C68EF750C5FF4A@steven-frysingers-ibook-g4.local> Did I gather correctly that somebody is working on an updated version of Mulberry? If so, Cyrus said a few years ago that he found the bug that causes Mulberry to drop its connection with some servers, sometimes. Since this happens to me (about 4 times an hour) when I'm connected to my primary server, it would be a major improvement in my quality of life if this quit happening. (It often drops just when I've sent a message, leaving me unsure whether the message got out or not, and causing me to have to resend just in case.) Is this fix on the list? Thanks! Steve ******************************************** Steven P. Frysinger, Ph.D. Professor, Integrated Science and Technology Program Computer Science Program Director, Environmental Information Systems Program Environmental Management Program Center for Environment, Health and Safety James Madison University College of Integrated Science and Technology ISAT/CS Room 309 800 South Main Street - MSC 4102 Harrisonburg, Virginia 22807 United States of America Tel: 540/568-2710 Fax: 540/568-2768 Net: frysinsp at jmu.edu Web: http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/frysinger.html --------------------- Gastprofessor, Fakult?t f?r Ingenieurwissenschaften Environmental Informatics Group (EIG) Hochschule f?r Technik und Wirtschaft (HTW) des Saarlandes Goebenstra?e 40 66117 Saarbr?cken Germany Cell: +49 (0)175 955 2303 Tel: +49 (0)681 876 5665 Net: Steven.Frysinger at enviromatics.net